Peavey 6505

[shogun]

Originally Posted by jb4674

Well, it's pretty much what EBMM did with the Axis. In the end, it was and probably still is a low quality guitar, as opposed to the original EVH one.

From my personal experience with the 5150, I thought it was way too loud for my taste and had no personality.

Jimmy

I have a bias opinion towards EBMM, but just pick up one of the axes, look at it closely, and say it is a low quality guitar.. if anything I would say they are higher quality then a JEM.... *Runs before I get stoned to death for blasphemy*

[markyperfection]

Originally Posted by jb4674

Well, it's pretty much what EBMM did with the Axis. In the end, it was and probably still is a low quality guitar, as opposed to the original EVH one.

From my personal experience with the 5150, I thought it was way too loud for my taste and had no personality.

Jimmy

you're right, though i never really felt that the evh EBMM guitars had any real merits to begin with. quality aside, they just never turned me on. i suppose music man makes a good enough product, but i've played two axis guitars in my life: one evh era, and one post-evh. nothing about either of them made me want to ever play another one.

about the 5150, i'm also *kinda* with you. while the original 5150 is my favorite of all the subsequent iterations, those amps never really launched my titanic either. i'm ok with loud; in raw fact i almost always encourage it (and yes, my ears are paying the price) but i always get the feeling that i'm being hoodwinked when i play a 5150, like it wouldn't matter if i were playing on a j-custom, a GIO, or a tennis racket with an emg 81 it'd still sound more or less the same.

with the right tubes and mods they can be neat, i suppose. i've played a few that had a couple hundred peels worth of modifications, transformer swaps, etc. that were impressive, but i'd much rather own an amp that starts out impressing me and gets better as i become more acquainted with it.

so to summarize:
- evh branded gear and i tend to not get along.
- i'd rather eat my hand than play an axis.

[jb4674]

Originally Posted by markyperfection

you're right, though i never really felt that the evh EBMM guitars had any real merits to begin with. quality aside, they just never turned me on. i suppose music man makes a good enough product, but i've played two axis guitars in my life: one evh era, and one post-evh. nothing about either of them made me want to ever play another one.

about the 5150, i'm also *kinda* with you. while the original 5150 is my favorite of all the subsequent iterations, those amps never really launched my titanic either. i'm ok with loud; in raw fact i almost always encourage it (and yes, my ears are paying the price) but i always get the feeling that i'm being hoodwinked when i play a 5150, like it wouldn't matter if i were playing on a j-custom, a GIO, or a tennis racket with an emg 81 it'd still sound more or less the same.

with the right tubes and mods they can be neat, i suppose. i've played a few that had a couple hundred peels worth of modifications, transformer swaps, etc. that were impressive, but i'd much rather own an amp that starts out impressing me and gets better as i become more acquainted with it.

so to summarize:
- evh branded gear and i tend to not get along.
- i'd rather eat my hand than play an axis.

Yep, I fell in love with the JSX because of its versatility and how it suits my personal preference.

Jimmy

[jim777]

Originally Posted by shogun

I have a bias opinion towards EBMM, but just pick up one of the axes, look at it closely, and say it is a low quality guitar.. if anything I would say they are higher quality then a JEM.... *Runs before I get stoned to death for blasphemy*

I've only owned their basses, but they are certainly extremely high quality instruments in my opinion. No stick to the painted necks either, I might add.

[jim777]

Originally Posted by toshiro

Yeah, the 5150 1&2 idea was stolen from a Soldano SLO, boatloads of gain.

Yeah, the story was that when Eddie was working with Soldano on the EVH series amps, his working agreement was such that he got to keep all of the prototypes. So, when the amp was done to his satisfaction, and he had no agreement with Soldano to actually go to production (just to work with them and keep the protos) he just took the prototype to Peavey and said "build me this one".

[jb4674]

Originally Posted by jim777

Yeah, the story was that when Eddie was working with Soldano on the EVH series amps, his working agreement was such that he got to keep all of the prototypes. So, when the amp was done to his satisfaction, and he had no agreement with Soldano to actually go to production (just to work with them and keep the protos) he just took the prototype to Peavey and said "build me this one".

Interesting annecdote Jim

Jimmy

[losgatosrg350dx]

Originally Posted by jim777

Yeah, the story was that when Eddie was working with Soldano on the EVH series amps, his working agreement was such that he got to keep all of the prototypes. So, when the amp was done to his satisfaction, and he had no agreement with Soldano to actually go to production (just to work with them and keep the protos) he just took the prototype to Peavey and said "build me this one".

i think peavey did a great job, i mean the 5150 you were able to buy was still nothing like his personal amp...the stock 5150 was to apeal to a massess of crowd for different reasons....im sure evh had alot of work done to the origonal models, and then loved it.....then took it to peavey and had thier endorsement on this amps, as they built him custom amps, and modded it, it just simply was not the amp they produced for the consumer market....

for production, cost, and value they did limit the features and sepcs, but not for evh

so if u were to get a "dunplicate" as close to his guitar as possible, and buy a brand new 5150 amp at the time, them do a signal route how he did it, its still souldnt be ther same.....like all musicians, the amps they use are nothing like the amps made in production as a model for a a star....just like the dimbuckers, or metallica pups arent actually 81/85's, they are tottaly different, just like eric claptons pups in concerts arent the active set he endorses


now that i said that....im going to my panic room in fear of a stoning

[shreddingjoris]

anyone can answer my question?

[markyperfection]

Originally Posted by shreddingjoris

anyone can answer my question?

the first couple posts in the the thread i think highlight the differences pretty well; go back and double check.

[losgatosrg350dx]

the combo amp has different trannys and differnet components
voltages are about 1/3 less on the grid
and the tubes run cooler on the combo

if you interested in getting something that functions at a decent level at home with some flexibility its all about the combo, but to get it to sound good youd have to drive it to 11 and get a hot plate

on the other hand the head version runs hotter and has more overall voltage, making it sound warmer at lower levels....

the + means the same thing on the 5150II, extra eq section, (active) and extra tube for the signal path

the + on the 6505 only allow you to have one ACTIVE extra eq
the origional 6505 has a switch to have the lead channel either passive or active, i think its called the boost button

either way....it depends what you wana do with it, a combo is loud but doesnt sound the same, if u want a 6505 be prepared to invest in seperate rack units like eq, compressor, noise gate, etc.....the amps come stock, so the absolute values on the circuits are kinda noisy...but the designers had this in mind, with all the high gain stuff peavey makes...they know people put up rack gear to drive it harder......dont get me wrong a peavey 6505 is a great amp, but its not engl great when i comes to noiseless high gain, and even a engl needs a decimator

expect to buy a decimator 2 ch, 1 for preanmp and one for poweramp with a 6505 amp, more so for a combo version, they are more noisy than a head version

[markyperfection]

Originally Posted by losgatosrg350dx

just like the dimbuckers, or metallica pups arent actually 81/85's, they are tottaly different, just like eric claptons pups in concerts arent the active set he endorses

[losgatosrg350dx]

Originally Posted by markyperfection

bring me kirk hammets guitar and prove me wrong.....
bring me dimes "dean" he plays in concert and prove to me those are dimbuckers

ha

most big musicians, play custom pups, who wouldnt, have u even heard a dimebucker....it sounds like junk

dont get me started on the emg's

i could go on for months

[markyperfection]

Originally Posted by losgatosrg350dx

bring me kirk hammets guitar and prove me wrong.....
bring me dimes "dean" he plays in concert and prove to me those are dimbuckers

ha

most big musicians, play custom pups, who wouldnt, have u even heard a dimebucker....it sounds like junk

dont get me started on the emg's

i could go on for months

the fact that YOU can't get dime's sound from a dean or get instant metallica from an 81 doesn't mean that these artists are using some fancy custom pickups. maybe trying plugging into a randall instead of a digitech preamp and you'll get closer to dime's sound.

if i did have access to one of dime's guitars, you're the last person i'd bring it to. dime (r.i.p.) would probably turn in his grave if some lunkhead put "woden" tremolo posts, an x2n with a 2megohm volume pot, and a kahler bridge with steel "rolers n cams" on any of his treasured axes.

i could go on for months about you being completely wrong, but you wouldn't listen because you're thick-headed and stubborn, which is just fine. be as stubborn as you want as long you're willing to accept me and others calling b.s. on you when you're obviously full of it.

if you really want, i'll get you a signed and notarized letter from the emg artist rep that says metallica, david gilmore, steve lukather, zakk wylde, and the rest are all using completely stock emg pickups.

[losgatosrg350dx]

Originally Posted by markyperfection

the fact that YOU can't get dime's sound from a dean or get instant metallica from an 81 doesn't mean that these artists are using some fancy custom pickups. maybe trying plugging into a randall instead of a digitech preamp and you'll get closer to dime's sound.

if i did have access to one of dime's guitars, you're the last person i'd bring it to. dime (r.i.p.) would probably turn in his grave if some lunkhead put "woden" tremolo posts, an x2n with a 2megohm volume pot, and a kahler bridge with steel "rolers n cams" on any of his treasured axes.

i could go on for months about you being completely wrong, but you wouldn't listen because you're thick-headed and stubborn, which is just fine. be as stubborn as you want as long you're willing to accept me and others calling b.s. on you when you're obviously full of it.

if you really want, i'll get you a signed and notarized letter from the emg artist rep that says metallica, david gilmore, steve lukather, zakk wylde, and the rest are all using completely stock emg pickups.

first of all let me correct you

I DONT PUT WODEN TREM POSTS nor do i experiment on guitar
and for the second part i have tried a 3k dime signature dean with a randall, and for the third part, they are ENDORSEMENT making people like you who trully think its the same thing, but they are not, they are completely different components, you can get a letter, legaly nobody needs to tell you anything, part of the endorsement is for people to think that the artists use those pups

but they do not

its okay, you can think so.....its tottaly okay, you can get as many letter telling you that as you want, but it wont change the fact that all evh 5150 amps were heavily modded, and nothing like the 5150 in production then, and still to this day
same as kirk hammets 81/85 setups, were advertised, but he had recorded and played with passive pups for the longest time, even durring his endorsements, emg just made him custom pups, wich had the active caps on them, but werent even active pickups, just were in the same black cases

back to the origional post i have noting more to say, other than i pee on emg, and on the subject that edorsement based gear is not trully what most big musicians are using

[losgatosrg350dx]

Originally Posted by markyperfection

, an x2n with a 2megohm volume pot

and who are you to judge

chuck shuldiner put a x2n in his slealth and had a single 2meg pot on it

and where was his tone....of the utmost holiest

you should ehck urself, before you acuse me of attempting to put wooden posts on a guitar, as if id ever do that, NO....it was a post, but it doesnt seem like you know the difference between a topic and a action i have taken....

and when we talk about bs, lets talk about the same bs you bring to the table, talking about the same oll smack over and over about woden posts, here, x2n there.......you really think about old posts as a way to try to prove someone wrong, how about u bring me kirk hammet, and then well have a convo war.....untill then you should sit around and take it to heart.....stop alienating others becasue you dont agree with thier opinions and gear compliment as if doesnt suit your fancy

thank you, and unfortunately, if homie was there next to you, im sure his sock full of quarters would educate you...till then, you dont see me insulting other posters, and you wont, because to each own his own tone heaven..........doesnt make em right or wrong

just like the guy who i talked to who claims to have wooden studs, he claims its good for HIS tone, its not in any way normal, its far fetched, but im going to enjoy it when i see it, and have a great time

but im sure me mentioning it, just ruined your year, so as outrageous as it is, it just must be BS

right

homie dont play that game!