Your string guages are wrong!

[andy7jem]

Originally Posted by Gilk420

rather I see it more as pole-vaulting over a mouse-turd.

Great quote Kev

LMFAO

[gu1tar]

Originally Posted by Gilk420

OOOHHH!! You're friend Dave was convinced?!?! Well, why didn't you say so, NOW I'm convinced.

Holy info-mercial, Batman!

LOLOLOL. That's what I was thinking. Because the world should revolve around what "Dave" thinks.

Fascinating, Zachary, who says he is NOT a scientist, quickly throws out the phrase "the laws of physics" to try and make himself appear more credible/superior/smarter as if it's some kind of magic voodoo that no one understands except maybe for them. And I'm betting he has no degree in physics from M.I.T. so maybe he should leave the science to the professionals. And once you have to throw in someone ELSE'S (Yngwie!?) name to give yourself credibility, you've pretty much taken a *deep* dive in the horsesh*t pool and lost me.

If string tension is not a problem for you, you don't need to fix it. Are string gauges packaged optimally from the manufacturers? Likely not. It's never stopped me from playing.

Along these lines, I would like to posit a new theory: If Zachary doesn't carry enough cat litter or some other weight in the rear of his car to make the weight an even balance from front to rear, he is an idiot because you can't drive effectively without it being completely balanced. It causes more tension on parts of the car and wears out tires/brakes, etc. faster. You'd have to be an IDIOT not to see this. Oh yeah, I almost forgot, it's how it should be "according to the rules of physics". Oh, and if you don't agree with me, you are an idiot and should be on the PRS site.

[OLIE_ROCKS_THE_80'S]

Originally Posted by gu1tar

LOLOLOL. That's what I was thinking. Because the world should revolve around what "Dave" thinks.

Fascinating, Zachary, who says he is NOT a scientist, quickly throws out the phrase "the laws of physics" to try and make himself appear more credible/superior/smarter as if it's some kind of magic voodoo that no one understands except maybe for them. And I'm betting he has no degree in physics from M.I.T. so maybe he should leave the science to the professionals. And once you have to throw in someone ELSE'S (Yngwie!?) name to give yourself credibility, you've pretty much taken a *deep* dive in the horsesh*t pool and lost me.

If string tension is not a problem for you, you don't need to fix it. Are string gauges packaged optimally from the manufacturers? Likely not. It's never stopped me from playing.

Along these lines, I would like to posit a new theory: If Zachary doesn't carry enough cat litter or some other weight in the rear of his car to make the weight an even balance from front to rear, he is an idiot because you can't drive effectively without it being completely balanced. It causes more tension on parts of the car and wears out tires/brakes, etc. faster. You'd have to be an IDIOT not to see this. Oh yeah, I almost forgot, it's how it should be "according to the rules of physics". Oh, and if you don't agree with me, you are an idiot and should be on the PRS site.

[Dino]

Originally Posted by Gilk420

I'd never actually thought about it before, I always just get the strings I finally settled on. What kind of a difference do you notice? Is it mostly a difference in feel or sound or both? Interesting

Thanks for asking! It is definately more of a difference is feel than sound, for me at least since I use a digital preamp with very high gain. Acoustically, or through a class A tube amp you would notice the change in tone much more.

[Dino]

Originally Posted by Gilk420

OOOHHH!! You're friend Dave was convinced?!?! Well, why didn't you say so, NOW I'm convinced.

Holy info-mercial, Batman!

I'll tell you why, because Dave is a sit down and shut up just play yer guitar kind of guy. He still play's with a broken Kahler on his Mexican strat from 1988. Now if he notices a difference, then the difference is big. Seriously, feedback, buzzing, hissing, giutar out of tune, broken string, he just keep on playin'. Gotta respect that. The man loves to play.

[GilkyBear]

Originally Posted by Dino

Thanks for asking! It is definately more of a difference is feel than sound, for me at least since I use a digital preamp with very high gain. Acoustically, or through a class A tube amp you would notice the change in tone much more.

What did you notice about the feel? For example, bending is easier from one string to the next, since the tension is more uniform? My fingers are so used to the strings I use I don't know if it would help me or hurt me at this point. But the tone (I use a tube amp) would help if it was noticeable.

[Dino]

Originally Posted by Gilk420

What did you notice about the feel? For example, bending is easier from one string to the next, since the tension is more uniform? My fingers are so used to the strings I use I don't know if it would help me or hurt me at this point. But the tone (I use a tube amp) would help if it was noticeable.

Well on the high side I notice that doing scale runs is smoother, bending feels more consistant from string to string. Power chording on the Low E feels better. Notes played on that string don't seem as muddy, there is a tighter crisper feel.

When I first switched It didn't seem like I was adjusting to something new as much as it seemed like I was no longer compensating for the tension changes that I was used to being there. I didn't have to pick lighter on the low E, or be so careful not to over bend notes on the B string anymore. I mean we are not talking about switching to a whole new guage of strings, just a little tweaking of the set you are already used to playing. There is a noticeable difference, but the transition is relatively painless.

[GilkyBear]

So, long story short, what are the actual string guages of the Zachary sets?

[Dino]

Originally Posted by Gilk420

So, long story short, what are the actual string guages of the Zachary sets?

Well I can no longer find that info on the Zachary website, and it in not written on the strings I have in hand. I believe that the guages on the 10 sets are B 13.5 and low E 49. I am not sure about the B string, but I know the low E is a 44 for the 9 sets. That is how we were putting the sets together before Zachary guitars started putting them together for us.

[GilkyBear]

So he wants to tell us how incredibly wrong our sets are, and offer to sell us magical ones, but won't say what the guages are? Sounds like snake oil to me.

[Dee]

Originally Posted by Dino

This is something no one ever talks about

I have talked about it, I have tried the strings, he printed my comments on his page too, and yes indeed it does make a difference. However, out of convenience, I recently went back to my regular D'addario 9-42 sets.

Basically, if anyone wants a better balanced set of strings without having to order "special" ones, replace the B with a 12 and the fat E string with a 44. Leave the other strings as they are. (This is of course based on a 9-42 gauge set.)

[gu1tar]

Originally Posted by Gilk420

So he wants to tell us how incredibly wrong our sets are, and offer to sell us magical ones, but won't say what the guages are? Sounds like snake oil to me.

Yeah, if it's a horrible conspiracy, why not just TELL us the gauges to stop the conspiracy in it's tracks? There may be something to this tension thing, I'll give it a whirl but I won't buy from this dolt:

Does a guy who in his argument needs to say that Zakk and Yngwie are "ugly MFs" really have any credibility? Especially after he uses Yngwie to reinforce his position and then says Yngwie isn't that smart?

He's "not part of the guitar industry" but he builds and sells (bizarro ugly) guitars? (has anyone on here played one? - they look like shiite)

He badmouths people drooling over PRS guitars but he OWNS one.

In his rant he says that the brand of string makes no difference but on his string package it says, "ZOG strings are the best quality you will find, custom-made to Zachary specifications by the best and biggest manufacturer in the USA. However, they are not expensive or hyped in any way." Which statement is the true one?? I'm an idiot, I can't discern.

Also note that he sells the best guitar stand in the world. Why does he need to put his name on a guitar stand that is made by Konig & Meyer? I've seen those stands, they do nothing for me. And he bashes ALL Asian countries in the meantime as if they can't make anything of quality. I'm sure he's no hypocrite though, I'm sure all his electronics (microwave, car stereo, etc. etc.) are American or German made.

This dope makes Ed Roman look moderate. In fact, I'd like to see these two get together and just call each other idiots and argue over who's guitar is the best in the world.

Anyone who is fascinated by abnormal psychology should visit his site; it's a treasure trove.

And if I'm an idiot, at least I can sleep safe at night knowing I'm in better company with the greatest guitarists in the world and of all time, instead of with this horribly bitter and hateful sad little man.

[gu1tar]

Originally Posted by Dee

I have talked about it, I have tried the strings, he printed my comments on his page too, and yes indeed it does make a difference. However, out of convenience, I recently went back to my regular D'addario 9-42 sets.

Basically, if anyone wants a better balanced set of strings without having to order "special" ones, replace the B with a 12 and the fat E string with a 44. Leave the other strings as they are. (This is of course based on a 9-42 gauge set.)

Thanks for the clarification Dee. I'll give it a shot.

See? Dee broke it down for us and didn't find it necessary to call us idiots.

[crevis]

Originally Posted by gu1tar

Thanks for the clarification Dee. I'll give it a shot.

See? Dee broke it down for us and didn't find it necessary to call us idiots.

the main point is that he respects others right to not like balance strings and doesnt say we're 'wrong' for not liking them.

[Dee]

Anyone can find out how to put together a balanced set by using a string tension calculator. You can search the net for one. After I tried the ZOG strings I decided to look into it (ordering ZOG's isn't practical for me) and here's what I came up with. There should be a slight increase in tension as the strings get thicker. The gauges below are not perfect but they are the best compromise. I certainly wouldn't want to go any heavier on the B and E.