Interesting debate...

Tweezerocks · #1 05-04-2007, 04:21 AM

I have this ongoing argument with my bandmate..

Say you have cubase or any other music editing software on your screen and you want to move a bass riff to the RIGHT slightly >>> are you moving it back in the track or forwards ?

Its currently 3-2 to him and its a real bone of contention !!

The Euphor · #2 05-04-2007, 10:45 AM

What does your MC deck say? RW and FF? FF bringing you from verse one to verse two. Thus moving it to the right will forward it. Although I would understand the other way of thinking, but it's wrong.

Rotti · #3 05-04-2007, 12:45 PM

Your moving it forwards.

Tweezerocks · #4 05-05-2007, 06:38 AM

My instinct is i'm moving it back....i.e. towards the end of the track..

Sabre · #5 05-05-2007, 06:55 AM

Forwards If you ask me.

Draco · #6 05-05-2007, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Tweezerocks

My instinct is i'm moving it back....i.e. towards the end of the track..

When you hit fast FORWARD, you head to the end of the track - so how would that be considered moving it back?

Tweezerocks · #7 05-05-2007, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Draco

When you hit fast FORWARD, you head to the end of the track - so how would that be considered moving it back?

Obviously i'm in the minority but...you PLAY it fastforwards on a tape machine sure but when your arranging the track before its ready for your listening pleasure , you put it towards the back....
the front of the track is the start ,the back of the track is the end SIMPLE !!

Darin · #8 05-06-2007, 06:10 PM

Say the kick and bass are to hit at the same time, and they don't because of a latency issue, or a sucky bass player. You can see that the spikes don't line up. The bass player hit early, so his spike is to the left of the kick spike. You need to drag the bass to the RIGHT to line them up. If the bass had hit late, you would drag it to the left, dragging it back to line up with the kick. But you are dragging it to the right. Forward, further down the path of the recording, not back toward the front of the recording.

There ya go brother.

Tweezerocks · #9 05-07-2007, 06:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Darin

Say the kick and bass are to hit at the same time, and they don't because of a latency issue, or a sucky bass player. You can see that the spikes don't line up. The bass player hit early, so his spike is to the left of the kick spike. You need to drag the bass to the RIGHT to line them up. If the bass had hit late, you would drag it to the left, dragging it back to line up with the kick. But you are dragging it to the right. Forward, further down the path of the recording, not back toward the front of the recording.

There ya go brother.

Thats the obvious way most people will see it i suppose..

pawel · #10 05-07-2007, 09:26 AM

You move it forward in time, but back in the track...or the other way around.

Wolfram · #11 05-07-2007, 09:54 AM

You guys are sad..............forward.

540s · #12 05-07-2007, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Tweezerocks

Obviously i'm in the minority but...you PLAY it fastforwards on a tape machine sure but when your arranging the track before its ready for your listening pleasure , you put it towards the back....
the front of the track is the start ,the back of the track is the end SIMPLE !!

Unfortunately this is one of those cases where the universe is off balance LOL

You move it foward to get to the end of the song. SIMPLE

Maybe calling the end of the song "the back" is what is throwing you off?

Darin · #13 05-07-2007, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Tweezerocks

Thats the obvious way most people will see it i suppose..

So the end is the back? Would you say while working on a song, Hey guys, "lets go back to the beginning of the song and start over", or "lets go forward to the beginning of the song and start over"?

Tweezerocks · #14 05-08-2007, 05:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Darin

So the end is the back? Would you say while working on a song, Hey guys, "lets go back to the beginning of the song and start over", or "lets go forward to the beginning of the song and start over"?

Obviously the song PLAYS forwards but when your arranging it ,it goes back as i see it.

jemplayer55 · #15 05-08-2007, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Tweezerocks

Obviously the song PLAYS forwards but when your arranging it ,it goes back as i see it.

Well you're WRONG! Duh.... As Darin (and several others) pointed out, you have a song "start point" and a song "finish point". Based on that and the "track counter" in all recording software, if you "move" a segment to the right you are moving it forward in the song! Just watch the "track counter" in the program as you move your segment, note, passage, whatever your editing to the right. It's increasing in number! (move it to the left and the opposite occurs, it ain't rocket science!)

My suggestion to you is to leave the control booth (possibly the building) and leave the editing/arranging to the engineers/producers who actually have a grasp of how and why the software works. Because you don't! Otherwise, you're just being a pain in the @ss and wasting time arguing or debating over something rather elementary don't you think?

Spend the time either practicing or tweezing your nose hairs! If you insist on being part of the process, my suggestion would be to sit there and shut up..... you might actually learn something!

(There's always some fool trying to turn fiction to fact)