Monitoring problems!

[Azrael]

Ok.....I figured out that if my latency is bad I just don't monitor with Cubase then.
I have a Behringer UB1002 mixer. Can I monitoring my sound directly with this one?
Could anyone help me how to wire it and how to set it up? My computer has one line-out and one line-in and I have an hifi-amplifier with one input (can't use more at the same time). Is it possible with this setup to only record my vamp2 that I feed into the mixer and not the sound that comes from my computer but still be able to hear that? This is my mixer....

[Gresh]

Not sure I fully understand what you're after, but I read this as you saying that with your current recording set up, the latency issues don't allow you to monitor what's going to disc...you play a note and you hear it come back out of the monitors a bit later.

Technically you could feed your vamp into your mixer, run the main outs to your monitors and run the tape out to your sound card. You'd have your monitors completely disconnected from your recording system so you'd only be hearing what was going through the mixer. So that would solve that problem, but it introduces many more.

If you want to multi-track or even just lay down a solo over a chord progression your screwed, can't do that if you set it up this way. I'm not up on what drives latency problems, but possibly you should look into getting a better sound card. I'm sure some more recording savy folks can lend a hand better than I can.

[Azrael]

Originally Posted by Gresh

Not sure I fully understand what you're after, but I read this as you saying that with your current recording set up, the latency issues don't allow you to monitor what's going to disc...you play a note and you hear it come back out of the monitors a bit later.

Technically you could feed your vamp into your mixer, run the main outs to your monitors and run the tape out to your sound card. You'd have your monitors completely disconnected from your recording system so you'd only be hearing what was going through the mixer. So that would solve that problem, but it introduces many more.

If you want to multi-track or even just lay down a solo over a chord progression your screwed, can't do that if you set it up this way. I'm not up on what drives latency problems, but possibly you should look into getting a better sound card. I'm sure some more recording savy folks can lend a hand better than I can.

Yes my current recording setup will not allow me to monitor with my computer. Too much latency.
I do want to do multi-track recording. I hope somebody else can be able to help me with this.

In short I want this......

computer to mixer / mixer to computer / mixer to amplifier

The amplifier needs to recieve both the sound from my computer AND what I feed into my mixer (mic/guitar). The computer ONLY needs to recieve what I send to my mixer(mic/guitar) and NOT what comes out of the computer.

[Azrael]

ALRIGHT! I SUCCEEDED!

I managed to do it....don't think it's a standard way to do it but it works very good. I have 3 output that I use now. 1 output is only what comes out of my computer and 2 outputs are only my guitar/mic/synth. To monitor I needed to get the sounds of my computer and the sounds of my guitar/mic/synth to my amplifier. I succeeded when I put 2 outputs to my amplifier. That worked. Now I can monitor everything direct and set the levels etc on my mixer and the only thing that gets recorded is the stuff I play. Excellent solution

[hexa-db]

Sounds like you've got it sorted.

The way I do it is:
Everything goes into the mixer (guitars, sound cards, synths)
Main outputs of the mixer go to an amp & speakers
Headphone/Control Room output goes to soundcard input

To record just guitar, while playing along to a backing track (for example) I'd solo the guitar channel which solos it on the Headphone/CtrlRm output but not the main outputs, so only the guitar gets recorded.
When I wired up my mixer an everything this seemed like the most logical/obvious way to do it. I couldn't understand why people complained of latency!
(I've since seen a magazine article on "Latency Free Monitoring" that explains how to set things up in this way!)

[Azrael]

Well....yup I figured it out myself. Works very good. Tomorrow I'm going to do some recordings with it.

[keithb]

Originally Posted by hexa-db

Sounds like you've got it sorted.

The way I do it is:
Everything goes into the mixer (guitars, sound cards, synths)
Main outputs of the mixer go to an amp & speakers
Headphone/Control Room output goes to soundcard input

To record just guitar, while playing along to a backing track (for example) I'd solo the guitar channel which solos it on the Headphone/CtrlRm output but not the main outputs, so only the guitar gets recorded.
When I wired up my mixer an everything this seemed like the most logical/obvious way to do it. I couldn't understand why people complained of latency!
(I've since seen a magazine article on "Latency Free Monitoring" that explains how to set things up in this way!)

This sounds like the 'best' way to do it. However, it doesn't look like the cheap Behringer mixers can solo inputs to the control room outs like that.

[Azrael]

Originally Posted by keithb

This sounds like the 'best' way to do it. However, it doesn't look like the cheap Behringer mixers can solo inputs to the control room outs like that.

Well , if you read the topic you would have read that I did it with my behringer mixer.

[keithb]

Originally Posted by Azrael

Well , if you read the topic you would have read that I did it with my behringer mixer.

Yeah, I noticed that you got it working - what do you mean by "I put two outputs to my amplifier"? Can you describe your setup in a bit more detail?

Thanks!

[Azrael]

Yes I can......but I'll have to write it down on a piece of paper first.....will post it today though

[keithb]

Sweet, I'd like to see it, because those Behringer mixers seem like a great deal. Their built-in mic preamps get good reviews too.

[Azrael]

Alright the following is my setup....


Guitar from VAMP2 to line-input of behringer mixer
Mic to behringer mixer
Keyboard to behringer line-input behringer mixer
Computer-out to behringer mixer tape-input
Tape-out to computer-input
Main out to stereo-amplifier
Cntrl-room to stereo-amplifier

The button of the tape to ctrl-room should be on. Rest of the buttons like Fx-to-mix and tape-to-mix should be OFF! This way I can monitor myself in real-time and my computer only get the stuff I play recorded. Great solution
Hope this is clear.....else just post and I'll try to help...

[jemaholic]

Just be careful with loading tracks on each other...your latency issue is because your computer cannot process the signals fast enough- usually due to not enough processing power. Your fix is a temporary one at best. Ultimately, you will need to consider upgrading your computer to something more powerful.
In the mean time- enjoy...........

[Azrael]

No , my latency has nothing to do with not enough processing power. That is not the problem at all. It has to do with the drivers but everything is solved now since that is now just bypassed.
I can record just fine up to like 8 tracks with plugins etc and without them even more. And that's enough for me.