New setup = No more dry recording ?

[Shredragrammaton]

Hey guys


Ive got a few questions about how im going to record with my new setup.
Currently i use the following;


RG > Korg ax300g > Audigy ZS notebooke soundcard > Toshiba laptop with subwoofer and speakers. nothing too fancey atall. i dont mic or use an amp its all "dry recording" (i think thats the right term...) so this means that when i record , i dont use headphones , it just plays through the speakers and because theres no mic , it obviously doesnt pickup the drumrtracks and keyboard parts whden im recording.

The new setup is a rectifier 2x12, triaxis, 2:90 , g major. The problem is i have NO idea of how to record with this, mic positions, or if you can use dry recording... Also, will i have to use headphones if im micing the amp, to avoid my drumtracks and synth tracks being picked up on the mic? I dont like the idea of using headphones, open air speakers just seem much clearer and "what you hear is what you get" at the end of the mix.

Anyone help?

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[eviltwin]

I think the word you are looking for is direct recording, not dry.

Dry means no effects whatsoever.

A lot of effects processors and some amps as well, have so-called direct outs, usually with some kind of speaker emulation. The speaker emulation can be hardwired or a programmable part of the FX unit.

Your G-major doesn't have speaker emulation, but the Triaxis does. These speaker emulated outs are labelled RECORD.

So the easiest way to hook things up would be
Guitar -> Triaxis
Triaxis Fx loop send -> G-major IN
G-major OUT (stereo) -> Triaxis Fx RETURNS (stereo)
Triaxis RECORD out (stereo) -> Audigy

you can use the Triaxis' regular outputs to go into the 2:90 which will give you a great sound for yourself in stead of headphones.

You will probably find that the direct recording sounds nothing like the sound coming through the 2:90.

The next step would be to mic that, but that's going to involve some experimentation with regards to levels and mic placement.

[Shredragrammaton]

That makes things a lot clearer man, much appreciated. I get the whole implementation of G major through the fx loop now.

When you say i can connect the other outputs to the 2:90 , i take you mean when its NOT all setup for recording, when its setup for simply rocking out?

If im micing the 2x12 i guess i would have to use headphones to listen to my mix whilst recording ?

[eviltwin]

Originally Posted by Shredragrammaton

That makes things a lot clearer man, much appreciated. I get the whole implementation of G major through the fx loop now.

np. a schematic for this and other set-up examples is in the Triaxis' manual, it's not rocket science

When you say i can connect the other outputs to the 2:90 , i take you mean when its NOT all setup for recording, when its setup for simply rocking out?

You can do both, or either. You can rock out while recording, it may actually be beneficial.
Your headphones might colour the sound, using the 2:90 while playing also means you won't be distracted by any latency and you can easily get feedback.

If im micing the 2x12 i guess i would have to use headphones to listen to my mix whilst recording ?

Either that or hook the PC up to a set of monitors.

[Shredragrammaton]

Originally Posted by eviltwin

Either that or hook the PC up to a set of monitors.

Ive tried this before when recording (my own rubbish) vocals , using the pc speakers , but i found that the mic picked up not only my vocals, but when i solo'd the vocal track back, there was a faint sound of the drums,guitar,keyboards etc recorded in there too - mustve been picked up from my monitors. I dont have enough room to segregate the room into a dedicated vocal/amp booth. Any ideas there bro ?

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[eviltwin]

well that would be true with any mics in a room with monitors.

When you're playing the guitar will mostly drown out the mix, especially with the cabs mic'ed up close, however in quiet passages this won't work.


You may be able to cut down on this leakage by hooking up a noise gate after the mics, but triggered by the guitar's dry sound.

[rty13ibz98]

sounds like someone needs a bit of isolation. there needs to be as much separation between the monitoring and the mic'ing as possible to reduce bleedover. seperate rooms would be ideal, but another way that you can deal with this would be would be with reamping the guitars. your already used to recording a di'd tone with the preamps, just split your signal going into the DAW(software). you'll be essentially recording 2 sounds, the dry di'd guitar tone and the amp tone to give you reference. upon playback, you can just solo out the di'd track and send that through a reamping device to get your level/impedance matched and back into your amp rig to mic. then your not commited to just one amp sound to tape. i persoanlly record with a pod and di'd track to the song's drums and vox. then, i listen to the mix to see what i want my guitar to sound like in order to fit. if line6 gearbox doesn't cut it, i reamp the guitar back into my flextone 2 hd into a 412 cab with several mics and even the head's di. therefore giving several sources to choose/blend from. on the last session i did, i used 3 mics and the di: sm-57, akg c1000, adk vienna, and the di; for 4 sources. therefore giving me a bigger guitar sound. the cheapest reamp box comes from radial, the pro rmp. i own the x-amp and it is amazing. they are cheap enough and will open the sonic possibilities in post production. don't forget the guitar plug ins are amazing now to get really good tones as well. like i said, i use gearbox gold and have waves gtr and amplitube as well. the lead tones in gearbox are really good, but i prefer the reamped tones mic'd for rhythm tones. let your ear decide.

rich

[Da KOG]

I reamped my guitar tracks on a recent song I put on youtube and it works incredibly well - in fact I will always record the direct signal from now on!