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Old 09-07-2006, 01:57 PM
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Recording / Mixing Setups


Does anyone know of a a book or of some examples of recoding / mixing for songs? Im looking more for positions other than listening to songs and figuring where its all panned.

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Vocals : Center
Drums : Center
Guitar 1 : Left
Guitar 2 Right

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Old 09-07-2006, 03:39 PM
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Re: Recording / Mixing Setups


Um, you can do whatever you want, really, as long as you make it work. Just try stuff - maybe do a single rhythm guitar track panned a bit off to one side (would work better for funky clean stuff), do a vocal off to one side, do two tracks of vocals and pan them back and forth, whatever.

The "band" arrangement with the bass in the center, your melody instrument/vocal straight up the center, rhythm guitars in stereo off to the sides, and a balanced stereo drum mix is traditional, but it's by no means set in stone.

And if you don't want to deviate too far, do stuff like add little fills or overdubs and pan them around a bit - maybe a clean-ish guitar playing accents panned a bit left in an otherwise "normal" mix, or in a chill, tranced out song a guitar just making little string noise chirps and squeaks being panned all over the place, mixed back a bit washed in delay - if you're just working with a handful of tracks then keeping it simple is probably the best way to get a full, "wide" sounding mix. But, the more subtle little overdubs you have to work with, the more you have to, well, work with.

For what it's worth, here's my myspace page:

http://www.myspace.com/drewpeterson7

This stuff is all by and large pretty old, and while most of the fundamental tracks are mixed normally (bass up the center, stereo drum mix set up in a "kit" configuration, rhythm guitars hard left and right, leads down the center), there's a lot of textural stuff in the background of a lot of these that I have a little more fun with - fake keyboard guitar swell stuff that swirls around a bit, sampled guitar noise, some e-bow stuff on the only recent demo there, whatever works.

So, I guess what I'm saying is either do lots of stupid stuff until you get something that works, or layer the hell out of your mixes and then have fun with the overdubs. Basically, What Would Devin Townsend Do.™
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Old 09-07-2006, 04:05 PM
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Re: Recording / Mixing Setups


Sounds like (no pun intended) you're looking for advice on spatial audio concept and why things (instruments/vocals/effects) are placed during the recording production/post production phase of a project. There's no simple answer. To start with it begins at the start with basic mic placement for effect. All the way up to environmental modeling. It can be dictated by something as simple as trying to duplicate exactly how a band sets up for a live performance to adding special effects like a door slamming at the back of a hall. Most post production/mix down is done with a project goal in mind and also involves the personal preferences of the engineer/production team. So far as literature on the subject there is a ton on the net or you can locate a book "Spatial-Audio in Music Technology" I'm pretty sure that's the title or something close. Hope this helps a little or gets ya going in the right direction.
P.S. Remember too.... whatever you're doing on a recording as a band, you'll want to be able to duplicate in live performance.

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Sounds like (no pun intended) you're looking for advice on spatial audio concept and why things (instruments/vocals/effects) are placed during the recording production/post production phase of a project.
Thanks, just was looking for some quick guidlines and why its done certain ways... and did not find anything based on my searches. I guess Im using a wrong term ??

thanks for the info.
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Re: Recording / Mixing Setups


Go to www.amazon.com and look for the art of mixing. The book is great, I have never seen the DVD. Buy it. Read it. This is the best example of how to mix I have found. Also, secrets of the pros modern recording and mixing DVD will have a pro tell you everything. www.secretsofthepros.com It ain't cheap, but it's worth it.
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Old 09-10-2006, 03:54 PM
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Re: Recording / Mixing Setups


Most engineers mix the bass and VOX center. Drums are mixed in either audience or drummers perspective. Guitars and other things are placed where they fit. You can use Verb to make things sound farther back or compression to make them sound in your face up front.

As far as why they do this . well thats all opinion based. Its all about the feel of the song and giving everything space in the stereo spectrum. Its like a painting. Every engineer is different but some things are standard.
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