whats the 'fizz?'

[Chritar]

so, i was wondering if anyone would be able to help me out here. what i hear when i record is not what i hear when i play, its pretty much what i hear with a lot of 'fizz on top.'

first off, im runnin a rg-20th straight into a vox 100cph with a 4X12(2 v30s and 2 v12hs; with weber beam blockers). i have a few effects goin through the loop on the head; either or i still get that fizz in the end.

im using a boss br-600 with two sm57s with mic cables i bought at audiopile.com(the blue ones) and i have the mics off-center right where the cone of the weber beam blocker ends, ive miced one v30 and one v12h.

the amp itself i have the gain like 2/5ths up on channel 2, 3 band eq is generally same except the bass is backed off a bit more than the mids and treb. it has a really aggressive tone...

also, im using cheap headphones, 30 dollar sony headphones that are a few years old.

anyone have any suggestiongs, maybe amp mods that might clear it up? or mic positions? maybe the br-600 isnt gonna cut it

thanks

[6fingers]

Take everything out of the loop.Record only your amp and see how it's sound.
Record different mic positions.
Good start.
Is better adding effects when mixing cause this way you can change them without having to record everything again.

[EL-CeeDee]

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This happens to a lot of us. Try putting your ear in the position of the mic and you will hear the fizz. usually, your ear would be rather far away and off center by a long distance. If you put your mic in your usual "listeners" position, you wil notice a lot of room sound ( reverb if you will ). When listening without a mic, this is reduced greatly by psychoacoustics. The mind actually filters out the room through multiple smart filtering systems in your brain and pinnae.
Solution: Put the headphone on, play some stuff ( or even better, get someone else to play ) and monitor the signal coming from the mic. Keep moving the mic to fit what you hear when playing. It doesn't matter if your mic ends up upside down facing the gain knob off axis to the speakerwire connector... it's the result that counts!

[Darin]

If you are not hearing the "fizz" at the speaker, then it's the mic or the cable its. Could be a cable running too close to a power cable even. Good luck, let us know when you figure it out. Try another mic too. Also, 2 mic's sounds better than one.

[Bowie]

Yea, the usual fizz is something that is picked up by the mic that we don't notice when playing. Usually tube preamps/compressors can subdue the fizz if you have a good signal to start with. Presence and treble are big contributors.

If you have a fizz that is audiable when you are not playing, then that is noise in your signal which could potentially be coming from anywhere...

[Chritar]

thanks for all the help everyone, i tried movin the mics around and such, and so far a got a pretty good sound, close to what im hearing, but not quite, i think i'll tinker more so,

anyone have any good drum machine recommendations?

[rty13ibz98]

could the fizz be too much high end in the track after recording? i would look into the cables first, but if the fizz is still there, it may be the "air" in the high end. try pulling out the highs of the track and see if that helps to eliminate some of the fizz.

rich

[StoneLord]

12in guitar speakers have a spike in the 3-3.5k range that 57s really pick up. The closer the mic gets to the center of the dome, the more pronounced it gets.
Play with the mic placement and use an eq to tame that frequency region.