Help me wire new pups for my SZ520

[PekkaM]

I ordered Seymour Duncan JB and 59 neck pickup for my SZ520. I didn't take 4-connector models but normal ones and here's what I got:



The upper one would be 59 neck with only one grounding covering and one conductor inside that. The lower one is JB cable with 5 conductors (red, black, green, white and metallic). Why are they so different?

Now below is what the wiring in SZ520 looks like:


From bridge there are coming white wire to volume pot, red and metallic are grounded to the same pot and black and green conductors are soldered to one pin in 12-pin 3-way switch.

From neck there's green wire to neck volume pot, and thick black grounded to the same pot. Red and white wire are connected to the switch.

How should I wire my two new pickups? I don't even need two separate volumes, just one with neck, bridge and both switching.

Thanks in advance.

[Mr Orange]

Go check out Duncan's site for schematics and color codes.

The basic stuff is that you wire ground wire behind the vol pot and hot to switch.

Otahan raahalliseesti...

[PekkaM]

Originally Posted by Mr Orange

Go check out Duncan's site for schematics and color codes.

The basic stuff is that you wire ground wire behind the vol pot and hot to switch.

Otahan raahalliseesti...

I got the schematics with pups but they look nothing like what's inside my guitar
Ibanez has also schematics but not for 2003-models

Kyllä tässä rauhallisia vielä ollaan

[PekkaM]

http://www.seymourduncan.com/website...way-w-spl.html

This seems similar.

So I should solder the wrapping from neck pickup to ground and black to neck volume pot?

The colors of wires from bridge pu seem different between Ibz and SD
pickups.

So next I solder black from bridge pu to volume pot and green and bare to ground (green and black in Ibz)?

The wires soldered in my photo to switch are those "solder together and insulate"?

What is done on SD schematic to red and white of neck pickup? Do they match the green/black or red/bare -pair in my photo? I don't want coil split so should they be sodlered together or left separate?

Does it really matter where I ground conductors?

Man... I thought this was gonna be easy since I already had soldering experience...

[SV300]

VERY confusing.

The SD "Solder together and insulate wires" are the series link wires. Basically, solder them together, and youll get a full humbucker in series. Solder them together and ground it, youll split one coil. Connect them to hot, youll split another coil.

The ibanez wiring... just got me lost!

On the neck pickup, the green wire is the hot output? Im guessing this... since its attached the the volume pot. On the bridge, its the white wire which is the hot output. I believe their buckers arent in phase with each other, so they swap around the lead wires??

This leaves the red wire, which *could* be a ground from the pickup baseplate, but whyt eh feck is it connected to the 3 way switch on teh neck pickup??

If i were you, id give up, and rewire the damn thing!!

SD codes:
4 conductor (JB comes standard as a 4 conductor)
Bare - ground
Green - ground
White & Red - series link
Black - hot

2 conductor (59)
Braid - ground
the other wire - hot.

Hope this helps.

[PekkaM]

Originally Posted by SV300

VERY confusing.

This leaves the red wire, which *could* be a ground from the pickup baseplate, but whyt eh feck is it connected to the 3 way switch on teh neck pickup??

And it looks like they've tried to solder something to all the connectors on the switch at least onece...

What are all those connectors for anyway? How does a three way switch work?

Originally Posted by SV300

If i were you, id give up, and rewire the damn thing!!

I'll probably do that since it seems much more easier following the SD schematic. I'd just like to know how to translate the connections to the switch shown in schematics to actual one.

[Mark DY]

Well now...

Pekka - all I did was replace the bridge pup with a DiMarzio - I spliced it in when I saw the wiring for the SZ. The Ibanez wiring color scheme was different than DiMarzio - red was ground in the Ibanez instead of green (I think). I also switched the volume pot and the bridge tone pot to have the volume closest to the strings.

Sorry I couldn't be more help on this one.

Mark

[PekkaM]

Actually I'm thinking of taking all wiring out and rewiring it to something like this:

http://www.seymourduncan.com/website...1vol_3way.html

I never use tone pot and two volumes actually irritate me and cause me occassionally to switch to muted mic when recording.

I already borrowed a multimeter to find out how that switch functions.

Thanks to all for help!

[SV300]

The switch looks like it may be a 4 pole 2 throw switch.

x x x
x x x
x x x
x x x

My guess, would be htat in one position.. allt he poles in the center lug would be connected to one side of the pole, e.g.

x-x x
x-x x
x-x x
x-x x

In the mid position, im guessing itd be connected like this?

x-x-x
x-x-x
x-x-x
x-x-x

And in the other end, im guessing it could be connected as

x x-x
x x-x
x x-x
x x-x

Could be wrong. Hope you understand my diagrams!

[PekkaM]

Originally Posted by SV300

The switch looks like it may be a 4 pole 2 throw switch.
Could be wrong. Hope you understand my diagrams!

That was my initial guess too, I was just distracted by all the wires attached to it and all the excess solder on unused pins (wtf is up with that? ).

It looks like they've used excess pins as "wire together and insulate" or something...

Well, out with all that mess!

[PekkaM]

Switch works something like this:

switch <-

x x-x
x x-x
x x-x
x x-x

switch ->

x-x x
x-x x
x-x x
x-x x

switch up

x-x x
x x-x
x x-x
x-x x

Well now that that's sorted out, some soldering is in order...

[SV300]

*Makes mental note to never attempt to rewire a guitar with an ibanez 3 way switch without replacing it*

Honestly, it looks like they were a little tipsy after a few beers, and therefore decided to make use of any extra pins they could find

Good luck in designing your diagram! Still dont get why they cant go with the proven method (e.g. your good old LP style 3 way switch)

[PekkaM]

Well it's done. Wiring may not be that beautiful but guitar looks and sounds even better Second volume and tone are both bypassed.





More pictures here: http://koti.mbnet.fi/~pmm/pics/sz520/

[Mark DY]

Nice work - looks like Korean made still has a few dips, but...

Glad I didn;t do mroe than I did! I put a TZ in the bridge and left the neck pup alone since I never use it on this guitar (and it looks identical to the TZ).

Sweet top BTW!