HSH w/ single size humbucker-wiring - Jemsite
Pickups & wiring Discussion about pickup types, replacements, recomendations, switching, wiring diagrams and sustainer systems for ANY guitar, JEMs included.

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
post #1 of 16 (permalink) Old 11-29-2012, 11:28 AM Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Winston-Salem, NC
Posts: 324
HSH w/ single size humbucker-wiring

Despite scouring the wiring resources from DiMarzio, Ibanez, Guitar Electronics etc., I'm having trouble working this out on my 1991 540S. I replaced the single coil with an Air Norton S. The neck and bridge both have 4 conductor wire (Duncan neck; DiMarzio bridge). Through trial and error I got the ANS connected so that it's coming through as a humbucker in the middle position, and I'm getting some kind of split coil sound in position 4 with the neck humbucker (maybe not the correct sound). In position 2 however the volume drops to nearly nothing (more so than the usual pos. 2 & 4 volume drop- it's about half the volume of position 4) and the sound is even funkier than usual...not the most usable.

I just want the normal split sounds in position 2 & 4. Anyone point me towards the right diagram?
gauchosilvertone is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 16 (permalink) Old 11-29-2012, 04:29 PM
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: El Paso, TX
Posts: 2,461
Re: HSH w/ single size humbucker-wiring

it depends on which switch you have as to what terminals will be activated and in turn what lead wires go where.

try www.guitarelectronics.com and also check the ibanez.com website for stock wiring diagrams if you are using the stock switch.
j.arledge is offline  
post #3 of 16 (permalink) Old 11-29-2012, 07:11 PM Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Winston-Salem, NC
Posts: 324
Re: HSH w/ single size humbucker-wiring

Check out the first sentence of my post...I've already looked in depth in those places. Not saying no one can find them, just not me!

And I do believe it's the stock switch.
gauchosilvertone is offline  
post #4 of 16 (permalink) Old 11-30-2012, 01:16 AM
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Stockton, CA
Posts: 977
Reviews: 15
Re: HSH w/ single size humbucker-wiring

Are you wanting the Air Norton to also be split in positions 2 and 4? As far as actual diagrams, it's a crapshoot since we don't know exactly which stock switch you have. Hopefully somebody here will know it offhand or maybe you can post a pic of the inside of the cavity to help us out.
silverctr is offline  
post #5 of 16 (permalink) Old 11-30-2012, 05:35 AM
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: El Paso, TX
Posts: 2,461
Re: HSH w/ single size humbucker-wiring

well if it is a vlx 91 switch you may have a bit of a hard time finding the diagram you are looking for. If it is a vlx 51 then i dont think you can get the sounds you want.

My recommendation is to get a new switch that does what you want. Also can you clarify what combinations you are trying to get?

this looks like what you need.

http://www.guitarelectronics.com/pro...HH5L11-01.html



(___6___) neck pickup
(___5___)


4
(________) middle single coil air norton
(----3----)




(___2___) bridge pickup
(___1___)



if you are just trying to replace the standard single coil that came stock with the air norton you may need to reverse the phase of the pickup. You can do this by switching the hot red wire with the green wire that is usually paired with the bare ground. So it would be red and bare with green being you hot lead.
j.arledge is offline  
post #6 of 16 (permalink) Old 11-30-2012, 05:42 AM
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: El Paso, TX
Posts: 2,461
Re: HSH w/ single size humbucker-wiring

just in case that wiring diagram is the one you are looking for use the link below to make sure you get the right leads for the switch in the right place. As i am sure you already know that dimarzio and seymour use different color lead wires.


http://1728.org/guitar8.htm
j.arledge is offline  
post #7 of 16 (permalink) Old 11-30-2012, 11:05 AM Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Winston-Salem, NC
Posts: 324
Re: HSH w/ single size humbucker-wiring

Switch is a YM-50.

Thanks for the feedback.

As far as pos. 2 & 4 I want the equivalent of the sounds I would get if I had a single coil in the middle. I don't know enough to say which coil of each humbucker I want engaged in each position, but whatever would get me closest to your Stratocaster type 2 & 4 tones.
gauchosilvertone is offline  
post #8 of 16 (permalink) Old 12-02-2012, 01:39 PM
 
RGTFanatic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: New Lenox, IL-USA
Posts: 10,114
Reviews: 2
Re: HSH w/ single size humbucker-wiring

Quote:
Originally Posted by gauchosilvertone View Post
Switch is a YM-50.

Thanks for the feedback.

As far as pos. 2 & 4 I want the equivalent of the sounds I would get if I had a single coil in the middle. I don't know enough to say which coil of each humbucker I want engaged in each position, but whatever would get me closest to your Stratocaster type 2 & 4 tones.
The only way to do this with a YM-50 is to solder and tape-off the black and white on the ANS (not connected to any lugs)....... It will always be humbucking when on.

You may have a problem with your switch if the vol drop is that bad in pos.2


RGTFanatic is offline  
post #9 of 16 (permalink) Old 12-02-2012, 01:42 PM Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Winston-Salem, NC
Posts: 324
Re: HSH w/ single size humbucker-wiring

So glad you just posted this- I've been beating my head against the workbench for about two hours now!

I'll try it.
gauchosilvertone is offline  
post #10 of 16 (permalink) Old 12-02-2012, 02:04 PM
 
RGTFanatic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: New Lenox, IL-USA
Posts: 10,114
Reviews: 2
Re: HSH w/ single size humbucker-wiring

Quote:
Originally Posted by gauchosilvertone View Post
So glad you just posted this- I've been beating my head against the workbench for about two hours now!

I'll try it.
tell us how it works out...............

This is how I had to wire my ToneZone S in my RG770.


RGTFanatic is offline  
post #11 of 16 (permalink) Old 12-03-2012, 02:27 PM
 
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Florida
Posts: 450
Re: HSH w/ single size humbucker-wiring

If you want to use a different switch, VLX91, I have a schematic for it. I just did this in two different S guitars using the DP187 (cruiser) in the middle position. Let me upload to photobucket and I'll post here. You can get the switch from Rich at Ibanezrules.com
MichelIV is offline  
post #12 of 16 (permalink) Old 12-03-2012, 02:30 PM
 
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Florida
Posts: 450
Re: HSH w/ single size humbucker-wiring

Here's the schematic in jpg format. It's a pain to wire up. I really hate doing three humbuckers with the VLX but I don't have a killer soldering iron. I really need to invest in a decent one.

MichelIV is offline  
post #13 of 16 (permalink) Old 12-04-2012, 12:28 PM Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Winston-Salem, NC
Posts: 324
Re: HSH w/ single size humbucker-wiring

It totally worked...awesome. The only sort of issue I had was that it seems the bridge humbucker is fully engaged (both coils) when in position 2, as opposed to just one coil. Not really a problem, just not what I thought should happen.

I was so stoked when I wired everything up (just according to the stock Ibanez diagram, by the way...once I figured out you have to read the terminals backwards) and all three pickups actually worked in the positions they were supposed to, I decided to leave well enough alone!

I may be experimenting with pups though from here. I have a PAF Pro in the neck, which definitely does what it's supposed to do...creamy and clear at once. I put a Humbucker from Hell in the bridge, the only free DiMarzio I had. It is great and not great at the same time...extremely clear, but the other hand it's pretty thin sounding. May go with something bassier but not Tone Zone bassy.

In the middle the air norton S is okay...kind of has a weird compression thing going on that I'm not wild about... but overall, I'm pleased.

Curious in suggestions on pickups for an S series to maintain articulation but get a little fatter. May consider the CL/LF set.

Thanks again all for your invaluable input.
gauchosilvertone is offline  
post #14 of 16 (permalink) Old 12-04-2012, 12:37 PM
 
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Florida
Posts: 450
Re: HSH w/ single size humbucker-wiring

Right now I have a set of Gravity Storms in one guitar and Breeds in another. I prefer the Gravity Storms. I have a Fast Track in the middle of those (mistakenly thought it was a Cruiser) and really like that setup. The Breeds take a bit more work to dial in IMO, and maybe I just haven't found the right combo on them. They have more treble than the Gravity Storms.

I also have the Satriani humbucker set (Mo Joe/PAF Joe) in another S series (again with a Fast Track 1) but I'm waiting on one last damn part that's taking it's sweet time to get here (from an hour away no less) via USPS so I haven't had the chance to try those out yet.

My last s-series build in progress is using the Crunch Lab/Liquifire setup but again, they're just sitting there waiting to be installed. Might try them in the S1520 in place of the Breeds out of curiosity.
MichelIV is offline  
post #15 of 16 (permalink) Old 12-04-2012, 01:08 PM Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Winston-Salem, NC
Posts: 324
Re: HSH w/ single size humbucker-wiring

Let me know how the CL LF set works.

The S is interesting (mines a 91). The mahogany does give it a body and warmth I've never gotten out of RGs (except the mahogany 520), but not in that blah warm way you get from basswood (my experience). The thin body however makes it very crisp at the same time. I want to find something to accentuate the warmth and body more, but retain the clarity. Staying away from Tone Zone and Norton since I've mostly just used those in the past. The PAF Pro is cool for the neck, but I want a little more fatness. For the bridge I still want something bright, but with more punch than the PAF Pro which was originally in the bridge.

I actually have a Norton in the neck of my alder bodied RT, and I love the tone (thanks to RGTFanatic for that idea), but its output demands a high output bridge pickup to keep up with it. I don't want to go that hot.
gauchosilvertone is offline  
Reply

Tags
5 way switch , air norton s , hsh , wiring

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the Jemsite forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address

IMPORTANT: You will be required to activate your account so please ensure that your email address is correct.

If you do not receive your activation check your spam folder before using the CONTACT US form (at the bottom right of each page).



Email Address:
OR

Log-in









Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.



Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Linear Mode



Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Wiring a Telecaster for Humbucker and single coil toma Pickups & wiring 11 07-17-2012 05:45 PM
Humbucker screw size on Jem7vsbl? Lifeson22 Tech: Setup, Repairs and Mods 0 12-19-2009 04:31 PM
DiMarzio Humbucker Screw Size CarlG Pickups & wiring 5 03-23-2009 05:08 PM
Tip on wiring a single humbucker + single volume pot Of Angels Pickups & wiring 0 08-26-2008 12:24 AM
Single humbucker wiring? Dee Pickups & wiring 3 03-03-2007 02:46 AM

Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome