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Old 02-20-2007, 07:07 PM
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Neck Thru Tone Help


I've always seemed to have this problem where my distortion sounds harsh and not SMOOOOTH. An example of the tone I want is like on Steve Vai's Tender Surrender:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=14rxZjGzo1c

or fellow jemsite member, JimmyJ, bitey but still smooth.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=tydDRNzqKGU

I'm not sure if it's because I bought the wrong pickups, a Fred for the neck and Evo2 for the bridge, for my guitar's wood (mahogany wings, maple neck-thru), my amp and the distortion on it itself (AVT20 Valvestate), or something else. What helps so far is lower the treble and upping the bass/mids on my amp, and rolling down the tone knob a bit on my guitar.

How do I get a nice smoother distortion, without so much TWANG TWANG?

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Old 02-20-2007, 10:30 PM
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Re: Neck Thru Tone Help


Breed pickups
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Old 02-20-2007, 10:32 PM
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Re: Neck Thru Tone Help


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Old 02-20-2007, 11:10 PM
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Re: Neck Thru Tone Help


What gear are you using? That can make a big difference obviously.
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Old 02-20-2007, 11:22 PM
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Re: Neck Thru Tone Help


yeah a lot of that harshness comes from the amplifier itself.

getting a Legacy would solve a lot of that harsness issue.
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Old 02-21-2007, 12:21 AM
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Re: Neck Thru Tone Help


Sorry for my n00bery at this stuff

So distortion, assuming you have a GOOD amp, is natrually SUPPPOSED to have that kind of smooth tone to it? I thought maybe that sound could only come out of a heavily processed guitar with compression or something like that...

The only gear I'm using is a Marshall AVT20 Valvestate combo amp 1 x 10, an Ibanez RGT42DXFM with a Dimarzio Fred in the neck and Evo2 in bridge, and occasionally I plug my guitar direct to a Digitech GSP-21 guitar effects processor I bought off a "auction site" for like $50 haha

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Old 02-21-2007, 07:27 AM
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Re: Neck Thru Tone Help


It looks like you have mismatched your gear slightly, I've always found that you need to match the quality of your guitar to the amp (and the effects)
So a 700$ should be played with a ~700$ amp, not a 200$ practice amp...the GSP isn't that bad (it was originally similarly expensive), but it's 20 years old.

Secondly, the gear you are using is not particularly suited to smooth tones:

-Korean RG
-Neck Through
-Evo
-Marshall Valvestate

the GSP is also on the fuzzy side of things (IIRC it was Vernon Reid's favorite in the early days of Living Colour, using it for a razor sharp tone, think Dimebag with more processing), but with a little tweaking you could get some decent smooth overdrive out of it.

Unfortunately this amp lacks an FX loop, which means using the GSP in combination with it is virtually impossible: the GSP's output is too hot for the AVT's front, rolling back the volume on the GSP will only introduce hiss and noise.

I suggest you get yourself a decent amp first, and replace the GSP later, go find yourself a GSP2101 or 2112; a relatively simple amp with an effects loop could already solve part of your problem, as long as you know what your doing with the GSP.

A - slighly less crappy - amp with an effects return would allow this: try to bypass the preamp and use the GSP21.

so:

guitar-> GSP->FX return of Amp

I think the GSP also has an FX loop, on a decent amp with an FX loop you may also want to try this:

Guitar-> GSP input -> GSP FX send -> Amp input -> Amp FX send -> GSP FX return -> GSP out -> Amp FX return.
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Old 02-21-2007, 11:23 AM
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Re: Neck Thru Tone Help


After doing some thinking, I think I just didn't realize my guitar's neck-thru is what's giving me the BITEY sound, like every time I pick a note it's VERY accentuated.

I just made the mistake of picking the wrong pickups, enhancing that bite a little too much

However I will play through some better amps to be sure, and if so probably replace the pickups with BREEDS! or TZ/AN, or maybe even Breed/AN I dunno

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Old 02-26-2007, 11:19 AM
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Re: Neck Thru Tone Help


Breed in the bridge will most likely smooth out your tone.
Also, you can't go wrong with Air Norton or PAf Pro in the neck
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