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Old 08-02-2004, 05:55 AM
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Schematic of actual 5 way switch


This thread/question was posted a while back, but never fully answered:

http://www.jemsite.com/phpbb/viewtop...highlight=ym50

I'm attempting to wire up a guitar according to this diagram:

http://www.jemsite.com/tech/img/t_wd_777.gif

But the switch is just a picture and tells me absolutely nothing about the actual signal flow through the switch. I need a proper schematic of the switch to fully understand it.

Can anyone help me out with this info?

Thanks very much,

Sean
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Old 08-02-2004, 09:40 AM
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Re: Schematic of actual 5 way switch


the YM50 works exactly the same as any 5-way Strat switch. the 8 tabs you see are actually two banks of 4 poles. in each set of 4 poles, there is a common output that the others all switch into (usually called 0) and three others that switch into it (1, 2, and 3).

on a Strat 5-way, going from neck to bridge, the five positions connect these lugs:
1 to 0
1 and 2 to 0
2 to 0
2 and 3 to 0
3 to 0

and they do it on both banks of poles at the same time. on a normal Strat, you only need one bank of 4 poles to switch the pickups. the other bank isn't used. the reason the switches have two banks is that Leo Fender got a great deal on some USAF surplus two bank switches in the 50s. everybody since has just copied his specs.

Ibanez got the clever idea to use that second bank of poles to automatically coil cut the humbuckers on a H/S/H guitar in positions 2 and 4. that is the standard JEM switching scheme.

knowing that theory, when you see a particular model of 5-way switch, like the YM50, all you have to do is find out which tabs are which banks of 4, and which poles are the common 0 and 1, 2, 3.

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http://www.jemsite.com/tech/img/t_wd_777.gif

But the switch is just a picture and tells me absolutely nothing about the actual signal flow through the switch.
actually, the rest of the diagram does tell you how the signal flows through the switch. the tabs that are soldered to the bridge humbucker wires must be #3s. the output to the volume pot must be the common #0 of the bank switching the pickup output. the tab with the middle single must be #2 of the bank switching the pickup, and the tabs with the neck pickup wires must be #1s. the bank that coil cuts the humbuckers has a wire running to ground, and no wire on the common output.

so on that diagram, the pole assignments from left to right would be:
1 (bank 1)
2 (bank 1)
3 (bank 1)
0 common (bank 1)
0 common (bank 2)
1 (bank 2)
2 (bank 2)
3 (bank 2)
in this diagram, bank 1 is switching the pickup output to the volume pot and bank 2 is coil cutting the humbuckers. it doesn't matter which bank is doing what, so long as everything is wired right.
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Old 08-02-2004, 02:47 PM
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Hey Scott of Actual Time:

Thanks sooo much for such a thorough response. (you're a born teacher)

I have a very minor background in electronics (you know, vocational ed, hobby, summer jobs back in the day...) but I haven't touched a soldering iron in many years.

Anyway, whenever I used to look at a schematic of a switch, it would usually indicate at least one arrow (analogous to a movable common pole) and at least one dot (analogous to the point where the pole "throws" to in order to open/close the switch).

If I'm looking at an artfully drawn realistic image of the switch I just described above it's a fairly simple matter of deducing its function. Never the less the *schematic* of the switch I just described still tells me more than the picture. For instance is the switch normally open? The picture, unless notated, cannot tell me that.

A switch (for this rusty old solderer) with 8 tabs is daunting by comparison, especially when you consider the fact that it's more than just a DPTT switch. Those extra two positions combine certain tabs... Leo was a genious; I'm just a guitarist.

Never the less I was able to deduce what the volume pot bank was up to, but the coil tap bank was a mystery, because I kept thinking of the coil taps as pickup "outputs", not signals to be shunted to ground. I kept looking at the common "0" poll and thinking, why isn't this going anywhere? And what's up the wire on #2 going to ground?

Anyway, your final sentence set me straight.

Thanks again!

Sean
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Old 08-02-2004, 06:26 PM
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Hey Scott of Actual Time:

Thanks sooo much for such a thorough response. (you're a born teacher)
thanks! actually, i am a chemistry lecturer....

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I have a very minor background in electronics... Anyway, whenever I used to look at a schematic of a switch, it would usually indicate at least one arrow (analogous to a movable common pole) and at least one dot (analogous to the point where the pole "throws" to in order to open/close the switch).

A switch (for this rusty old solderer) with 8 tabs is daunting by comparison,
i can see how that would help out you and folks with electronics backgrounds. from ibanez and other manufacterers' point of view, i can see why they just draw a picture that looks like the switch and show where the wires go. the arrow and dots and cap symbols from a real schematic would have 99% of guitarists scratching their heads.

there are some wiring diagram web sites that use real schematic notation for the switches and the pickups. the switches are dots and the pickups are inductor coils. i'm so used to the WYSIWYG pix that it takes me a little while to sort those out.
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Old 08-02-2004, 09:02 PM
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Wow, thanx man for that explanation... i was actually gonna email the guys at dimarzio during the week about the same thing


thanks again!!!!!
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Old 08-04-2004, 11:40 AM
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A related question: are the pole assignments on the YM50 the same as those on the newer 2502W switch?
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