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Old 05-27-2006, 08:21 AM
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The Dimebucker is Terriable


I recently got this gorgeous white RG570 second hand, and bought some pickups for it.
David Mccarrol here on jemsite was kind enough to do some work on it for me.
Thanks David!

Anyway, i put a dimebucker and a '59 in it.
The 59 sounds great, but the dimebucker sounds aweful, it doesnt sustain pretty much at all, i tried lowering the pickup and it helped a little bit its still not sustaining as much as i would have liked it to by far,
The 59 sustains fine but the dimebucker does not. That and it sounds crap too.
Its too dark sounding, the mids are too scooped, its too bassy and it sounds too buzzsaw.
You may be wondering why i got it in the first place. Well i guess i dont really know, it was kind of a spontaneous thing.
I've been going for a learn by trying out things for myself, and i guess the dual blade style was attractive for what thier good for apparently.

Anyway to cut to the chase, i wanted to replace it with a d sonic, but i dont want to get rid of the '59, will it work ok together, or should i consider getting a replacement from the duncan range, perhaps a sh5 custom?
I play heavy metal and prog stuff mostly.
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Old 05-27-2006, 09:28 AM
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Re: The Dimebucker is Terriable


Have you considered the Dimarzio Super 3? Its super hot, 25k, and tone wise its nearly the opposite of the Dimebucker; Chopped treble, lots of mids, and lots of bass. I suspect it'll be great for scooped mids and lots of teble on the amp.

I'm planning on putting one in my Rg410 project guitar.

Im curious though, how was the DB too dark, based on Duncans tone chart I'd imagine the pickup would be pretty bight.

Later,

Steve
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Old 05-27-2006, 10:55 AM
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Re: The Dimebucker is Terriable


you might want to try the actual bridge pickup that dimebag used for a long time, the bill lawrence L500XL. high output, but very clear sounding and well balanced. i've never tried a dimebucker, but i have yet to read a good review of one.
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Old 05-27-2006, 12:21 PM
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Re: The Dimebucker is Terriable


Those Bill Lawrence L500XL's are AWESOME.

Played one in a Washburn Nuno Bettencourt N2....LOVE IT.


And . . .yeah. . .Dimebag was certainly NOT the king of tone, so . . HAHAHA I'm not surprised.
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Old 05-27-2006, 12:30 PM
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Re: The Dimebucker is Terriable


the dimebucker has LOTS of highs. it just about cuts your head off. i think it worked great for dear departed DD, but maybe not a good overall pickup for most people. unless you're in a Pantera tribute band, I wouldn't recommend it.

john
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Old 05-27-2006, 12:53 PM
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Re: The Dimebucker is Terriable


iI have a dimebucker in a guitar I tune down to drop c. It sounds great in it. It's bright, and trebly, but it's perfect for whatwe're playng. It cuts beautifully.
Nik
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Old 05-27-2006, 02:56 PM
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Re: The Dimebucker is Terriable


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iI have a dimebucker in a guitar I tune down to drop c. It sounds great in it. It's bright, and trebly, but it's perfect for whatwe're playng. It cuts beautifully.
Nik
That's pretty much how it's sound good, lower tunings and tons of gain. It's voiced to scoop mids to get that chuggy sound and be bright so it doesn't get muddy/mushy.
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Old 05-27-2006, 05:35 PM
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Re: The Dimebucker is Terriable


I'm not in a pantera tribute band, and i just tried out the dimebucker for the sake of it.
Maybe dark was a wrong way to describe it but i dont like the sound of it full stop really, i find it too harsh.
I like metal but i would like something more diverse.
and i'd preferably like to keep the '59 in the guitar sinc ei like it

ON second thoughts it doesnt matter that much if i have to change the neck pup, aslong as i can fix the bridge nonsense.

I've stated my preferences on the SD forums:
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Hey Guys,

Recently i got this beautiful white RG570 and had a '59 and a Dimebucker put in it.
While i like the '59, the dimebucker is horrible in my oppinon, it sounds bad, it doesnt sustain as much as i need it to.
Infact before i dropped it below 2mm it didnt sustain at all.

I mostly play thrash and normal heavy metal stuff, but i'm also interested in progressive stuff like dream theater, pain of salvation, porcupine tree etc.
So i need something balanced and versatile.

So far i'm thinking about a JB or a Custom. But i thought i'd run it by you guys first.

The guitar is basswood, has a edge floating trem, rosewood fingerboard and has a bolt on neck.

Thanks in advance,

Daniel
and so far i've been recomended the:
JB, Custom, EVO, X2N

EVO:
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Dimarzio Evolution is what comes to my mind. Should work pretty good in the guitar construction-wise and it should also fit the styles you mentioned. Very tight and clear rhythm sound(even droptuned) with the edge needed for thrash- and heavy metal. And it's also one killer pup for prog stuff. Balanced EQ, lots os sustain and killer harmonics.
X2N:
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DiMArzio X2N with a on/on/on switch for Series, Parellel, Single
Custom:
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Hmm. The JB can be versatile. There are many '59 and JB combinations that ESP sells, and it seems most people like them. The most versatile would probably Jazz+JB (Megadeth), but it depends on your likes. The Jazz mates well with both a Custom and a JB, but the '59, I don't know about that one.

Tone wizard says JB for fusion over the Custom, but Custom for metal (or Custom 5).

Me, I would say that the Custom is the common point here, so I'd go with that, just my opinion.

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Old 05-27-2006, 07:15 PM
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Re: The Dimebucker is Terriable


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Have you considered the Dimarzio Super 3? Its super hot, 25k, and tone wise its nearly the opposite of the Dimebucker; Chopped treble, lots of mids, and lots of bass. I suspect it'll be great for scooped mids and lots of teble on the amp.

I'm planning on putting one in my Rg410 project guitar.

Im curious though, how was the DB too dark, based on Duncans tone chart I'd imagine the pickup would be pretty bight.

Later,

Steve

25 ohms is it's resistance , resistaince is no indicator for how hot a pickup is . i am roughly qouting bill lawrence here but it was somthing like" trying to tell how hot a pickup is by it's resistance is like trying to tell how smart some one is by thier shoe size "

i got a dean razorback which came with a dimebucker , i thought it was ok but wanted better , i replaced it with a d-sonic . I am very happy . The drop sonic is like and evolution and tone zone put together , with some of the sounds of a fred . It is clear deep crunchy and round . I dont exactly know how it can be round and crunchy but it is .
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Old 05-27-2006, 08:36 PM
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Re: The Dimebucker is Terriable


Uhm, just to throw things out there a bit....

,,Have you considered a PAF PRO in there ? I think you'd get a good mix in tone between that and the Dunc.

Ben
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Old 05-27-2006, 08:49 PM
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Re: The Dimebucker is Terriable


oh,

i bought a tonezone

hopefully not a bad idea...
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Old 05-27-2006, 11:56 PM
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Re: The Dimebucker is Terriable


^^ Good move, but you know I was gonna say that
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Old 05-28-2006, 12:14 AM
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Re: The Dimebucker is Terriable


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oh,

i bought a tonezone

hopefully not a bad idea...
Not a bad idea at all. It's similar to the JB, but has a better low end, and is a little more "dynamic" than the JB. I use both and prefer the Tone Zone after years of using JB exclusively.

Hope it works out for you.
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Old 05-28-2006, 12:49 AM
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Re: The Dimebucker is Terriable


I have a dean dime o flame neck thru, the dimebucker is on it already, and to tell u the truth I dont get much bass at all, listen this pickup is made for metal, and thats about it, it is dark, but it can be light too. It is really the amp. The sustain on it sucks though I agree, but I love my dimebucker! Hey maybe u should have known it wasnt going to be pretty when DIMEBAG uses it hahah I mean come on hes from pantera for christ sake!
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Old 05-28-2006, 01:01 AM
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Re: The Dimebucker is Terriable


I always thought dime was a good player, but i think his tone kinda sucks personally.
But i bought it beacuse i thought it would be good for metal... but the lack of sustain kills everything for me. I cant even play a powerchord and let it ring for very long at all. Let alone at all most of the time.
Its terriable in my RG
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