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The "Les Trem" stop-tail tremolo bridge

48K views 6 replies 5 participants last post by  Dee  
#1 ·
FWIW:

The first real V I had was fitted with a Gibson Factory Kahler. I guess that ruined me. When I got a faded and upgraded what all needed to be upgraded I just kept wanting to get that surfy warble and couldn't. So I researched the LPF and the WWW and Usenet to try to find out about the Les Trem. StewMac is the only place to get them now for $105 with the other places to get them at $140 (and that's for the older style without the adjustable arm).
So I jumped in and bought two units in chrome looking toward my V and Es335.

I got them two days ago and last night put one on the V. It works just fine as a bigsby replacement. I've done nothing yet to fine tune the system. The tuning issues I've read about don't really exist in my case. In fact my old strat had more tuning instability than this, even with the V's headstock angle and string spread. My verdict: I'm hooked. I just wish it came in nickel.

Their actual tailpiece is thinner than a regular one. You get replacement bolts that don't have a lip on them so they can screw down closer to the body and hold the bar in place. I didn't try it that low because I topwrap my guitars and wanted the strings higher. You can see in the last photo that I put some washers under the tailpiece to keep it higher than designed. Maybe this height has something to do with the staying in tune better? I need to add another washer and screw the posts in tighter to level out the tailpiece.

I think that it's a great piece of hardware for bigsby-ish flutter. There is no noticible tuning problem when used for subtle wah-wah-whas. While it can drop 2 steps, tuning suffers when you come back up (like a strat). It's not a Satriani whammy bar. But I'm not Satriani so it all works out.

And now, more photos of the Les Trem than you can find on the web:


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#2 ·
The fact that you have it spaced on washers will greatly increase your tuning stability due to the fact that the angle at which the string now passers over the bridge is now much smaller. Are you using any kind of nut or saddle lubricant? Dupont makes liquid teflon that dries to a paste. Ive been using it on my nuts for years and its amazing stuff. Reportedly one of the slickest things in existence. Im also using sperzel locking tuners. Those were the best money ive ever spent on a guitar. Not only do they look great, but my tuning stability is impeccable, and I think they sound better than the stock Klusons on my les paul
 
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I'm not currently doing anything different on the nut or saddle setups. I'm waiting a bit for new strings to settle before I try to figure out if i need any help with friction. Right now, it looks like there is no need. Where do you get the Dupont product?

Here is the second Les Trem I bought and just put on my ES335.


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#4 ·
You can buy it at lowes. it comes in a little blue bottle with a dispenser tip and red cap. Alot of people use graphite and other stuff. Just make sure and put a rag on your fretboard and on the other side of the nut, and I do it with the strings off. This is something I now religiously do. If youve got good tuning stability now try it with the lubricant and maybe you can get to the point of doing divebombs or something? If I could suggest anything to someone with a yearning for tremolo usage, go out and try out the sperzel locking tuners. I also meant to add earlier how your wrapping your strings at the post? the number of wraps and whether or not you use any type of nut as well as the direction in which you wrap can have a major affect on tuning stability. The traditional method for me doesnt usually work well with your typical gibson style tuning keys.
 
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Boy, do I have alot to say about this junky item! I have many photos of the one I modified WITHOUT freakin' washers under the posts! Why should you have to put washers to space this up when it costs nearly 150.00? Even with your washers the Flying V trem in you photo is Still tilted! Use the stock Gibson posts! The spring is a weak pice of **** too! So that was still used on mine but with a cushion under the spring part against the body unless you want a permanent round mark on you guitar! Aslo 7 music steel springs were added on mine under the unit to add tension which is BADLY needed on this over priced & poorly engineered unit. If I new how attach my photos here I would as you will clearly see what I did. I bought one of this peices of crap 3 years ago & put it away & figured I wasted my money until I recently decided to finish my re-engineering of this thing. Go ahead & buy one of these people but if you are at all knowlegable about mechanics & how things should be then either don't buy it or you will need to do quite a bit of work to it to satisfy any guitarist who demands quality!!!