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post #31 of 110 (permalink) Old 06-27-2003, 07:33 PM
 
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Is there a better place to debate?

Just because the East coast distributor doesn't want to import something doesn't mean the West should deprive their customers of something they believe they can sell. Also buisness 101
This debate in this thread is off-topic. we dont' need two "expert" distributers who are not in sync. it is blatent inconsistancy which ultimately hurts the IBANEZ brand name, both short term and long term. It also fosters bad dealer relations, bad customer relations PLUS it encourages mail order and not supporting your local dealer which further hurts dealer relations.

I'm sorry, but there is really no positive spin you can put on it, unless you want to argue that Chesbro should take it further and SELL guitars direct to customers too and just bypass the dealers and brokers completely... glen
Do you think Ibanez really cares about dealer relations? Dealers will always carry Ibanez guitars, regardless, because they sell. Theres nothing foolish about the way ibanez conducts business. When you look at it, Ibanez is ingeniously streamlined. They have no customer service and minimal employees in the american market. Their ratio of sales to support staff must be staggering compared to most other companies. Japanese companies have long been known to be the most savy and profitable in the business world. The whole chesbro thing is smart on ibanez's part. If you can send another 100 guitars to the american market that may not be in the catalog then why not? It keeps the factories running and sells another 100 guitars that wouldnt be normally sold otherwise. They are in this for one thing and thats money. Whether we think its foolish or not is irrelevant. No one is going to stop stocking or buying the guitars for something that silly. The ishibashi thing is along the same lines as chesbro. Ibanez is fully aware of the large amount of overseas shipping they do and ibanez could stop it. But....it sells guitars. A catalog does one thing and one thing only. It is a list of what you are guaranteed of being able to buy in the American market. Its not the bible that states you absolutely cannot get something else. Hoshino probably doesnt want to take the time or isnt staffed enough to want to deal with researching and stocking more models than whats in the catalog. Chesbro, being much larger, can and does do that because they want to make money too. Basic business here.
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Ummm....Chesbro is a fairly small family-run operation based in Idaho. Hoshino is large, multi-national corporation that is responsible for more than just Ibanez guitars, etc.

Of course, that has NOTHING to do with Summer NAMM 2003, so please...keep it on topic
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Do you think Ibanez really cares about dealer relations? Dealers will always carry Ibanez guitars, regardless, because they sell. Theres nothing foolish about the way ibanez conducts business. When you look at it, Ibanez is ingeniously streamlined. They have no customer service and minimal employees in the american market. Their ratio of sales to support staff must be staggering compared to most other companies. Japanese companies have long been known to be the most savy and profitable in the business world. The whole chesbro thing is smart on ibanez's part. If you can send another 100 guitars to the american market that may not be in the catalog then why not? It keeps the factories running and sells another 100 guitars that wouldnt be normally sold otherwise. They are in this for one thing and thats money. Whether we think its foolish or not is irrelevant. No one is going to stop stocking or buying the guitars for something that silly. The ishibashi thing is along the same lines as chesbro. Ibanez is fully aware of the large amount of overseas shipping they do and ibanez could stop it. But....it sells guitars. A catalog does one thing and one thing only. It is a list of what you are guaranteed of being able to buy in the American market. Its not the bible that states you absolutely cannot get something else. Hoshino probably doesnt want to take the time or isnt staffed enough to want to deal with researching and stocking more models than whats in the catalog. Chesbro, being much larger, can and does do that because they want to make money too. Basic business here.
LOL. this is one for the archive. some of you are very unrealistic in terms of business, and what ibanez sells overall in the market. Lets keep it simple and say ibanez needs dealers as much or MORE than dealers need ibanez. 'nuff said.

BACK TO NAMM 2003... glen
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I was napping so forgive one more OT.

Until the WHOLE WORLD sells the exact same product line and for the same $ conversion amount, there will be ripe oportunities for any of the independents to take advantage of the way distribution is setup and offer their customers something they want but can't get. Ishibashi is taking full advantage of the situation, and it's smart for them to do so. They're probably taking more sales away from dealers elsewhere than anything else in the current market.
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Rich - Are you going to the summer show?
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Re: Summer NAMM 2003 speculation

do you know if they are releasing NEW models?? i saw the singer from Taproot's and Marty Frieman's single cut prototypes and think they should make it a production model. very nice.......

any idea on the $699 model??

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OK, i'll post here leaving room to speculate on what Ibanez is going to be showing at Summer NAMM 2003 next month.

One retro model is from Japan w/ a mahogany body, set neck w/ binding, parallelogram inlays, 2vol/2tone controls apparently priced right at $699
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Summer NAMM is traditionally about low budget "packages" for the Christmas buying season and some spot productions that I typically have no interest in. Short answer would be, No
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Since my thread specifically discussing the new 2003 Jem was LOCKED , I'll post this here:

Here it is, thanks to Simon for the scans.



15th Anniversary Limited Edition
Jem77FP (Floral Pattern)
w/Edge Pro Trem
Extra Back Plate with Steve's Signature

List Price $2199.99
SMAP Price $1644.99

Detailed File Here:
http://www.jemfest.com/misc/Jem15small.jpg

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we had this conversation a few days ago

nice price (relative to the jem7s)... glen
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[Hoshino gave Jemfest the "exclusive" to announce it. I'm sure they didn't figure on Matt posting it here a week earlier. What is new is the "15th Anniversary" part with a signed plate which at least is exclusive from Jemfest]

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Am I viewing this correctly? Purple pups, knobs and switch?
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Oh brother... not again!
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Just the cycle of life

Normal spec, terrible lo res printout from Hoshino.
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I thought that too (purple)

But if you look at ibanez.co.jp or itchyscratchy.com you will see a jem77FP that looks the same-they have lifted the pic

I think the pups have gone purple in this print/pic

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