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post #1 of 9 (permalink) Old 09-02-2011, 10:21 AM Thread Starter
 
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By ear or by the book?

A friend of mine noticed my tab book collection of 50+ books and said " Man, can't you learn songs by ear or something?"
Now i can work out songs by ear but i have always been a "play it like it's played" kind of guy and want to know how the guitarist in question does this or that lick/riff plus i don't like trying to learn solos by ear especially crazy ones also i think they save alot of time in the learning/playing process of a song.
Now i was just wondering what your thoughts are in learning songs by ear or by tab and which is better in your opinion?
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post #2 of 9 (permalink) Old 09-02-2011, 10:30 AM
 
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Re: By ear or by the book?

I've bought many books, especially early in my playing days. Now with the internet available I haven't bought any, nor do I search for tabs. One of the last books I bought was Extreme - Pornographitti, it was packed with mistakes. After that I have used my ears instead.

That said, I did use my ears before I knew there were books available. I think the books might be good if you have no idea what the player is doing. After a while you recognize different techniques and it should be easier to visualize what's being played once you know how they play it.
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I've bought many books, especially early in my playing days. Now with the internet available I haven't bought any, nor do I search for tabs. One of the last books I bought was Extreme - Pornographitti, it was packed with mistakes. After that I have used my ears instead.

That said, I did use my ears before I knew there were books available. I think the books might be good if you have no idea what the player is doing. After a while you recognize different techniques and it should be easier to visualize what's being played once you know how they play it.
Hahaha yeah i got the pornograffitti book as well horrible tabs had to just use my experience with technique in the end like you said to work them out properly.
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Re: By ear or by the book?

I have to actually look at how songs are played even. Tabs are nice when they are accurate. I too find that many times when I figure a song out by ear, and watch how others play it or how the artist plays it, I'm usually wrong! but sounds good! It's hard teaching an old dog new tricks, especially when I learn it one way, then trying to play it the way the artist plays it.
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Re: By ear or by the book?

I love music books, i love the feel, the smell and everything.

Plus if you can transcribe Passion and Warfare you should be transcribing professionally.
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Plus if you can transcribe Passion and Warfare you should be transcribing professionally.
First song I picked by ear was "Ain't talking 'bout love". Before I knew about the downtuning, of course. I wouldn't be able to transcribe it, would probably take me ages today. Notation values is harder than playing the same based on what you can hear.
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I have to actually look at how songs are played even. Tabs are nice when they are accurate. I too find that many times when I figure a song out by ear, and watch how others play it or how the artist plays it, I'm usually wrong! but sounds good! It's hard teaching an old dog new tricks, especially when I learn it one way, then trying to play it the way the artist plays it.
Yeah they have to be accurate or it's a waste of time, as the whole point to the books is to see the guitarists style.
I own about 3 books that are just totally useless and incorrect- Extreme's Pornograffitti, Pantera's Cowboys from Hell and Alice in Chains Dirt actually i have never seen correct tabbing for either Nuno or Dimebag anywhere, they must be hard to transcribe.
+1 it's annoying re-learning a riff once you learnt it one way.

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I love music books, i love the feel, the smell and everything.

Plus if you can transcribe Passion and Warfare you should be transcribing professionally.
Me too, i also love how some books have rare pics and stories in them.
Yeah i give big praises to the guys who can transcribe Steve's music accurately.
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Re: By ear or by the book?

When I started playing there was no internet. Books here were only about brazilian music so like Malmsteen, I(we) had to learn by ear whatever I(we) wanted to play. But Malmsteen had a tape player with adjustable speed, he could turn speed down and learn fast songs easier, my tape player hadn't it so I had to learn Malmsteen leads in the same velocity = nightmare.
With the internet finally I could spend my time playing and not learning a song by ear for hours and hours, it was paradise.
Then tabs......it's just like plug and play, you just google for a tab and start playing whatever you want, how could it be easier?!
These days people have everything at the touch of their mouses still so many are so lazy, like an USA friend of mine said, it's the spoon-feed generation, everything is so easy that they became lazy as hell.
I'm so grateful for being able to learn songs by ear, I can identify chords, toms, scales etc so practicing/studying is NEVER a waste of time
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When I started playing there was no internet. Books here were only about brazilian music so like Malmsteen, I(we) had to learn by ear whatever I(we) wanted to play. But Malmsteen had a tape player with adjustable speed, he could turn speed down and learn fast songs easier, my tape player hadn't it so I had to learn Malmsteen leads in the same velocity = nightmare.
With the internet finally I could spend my time playing and not learning a song by ear for hours and hours, it was paradise.
Then tabs......it's just like plug and play, you just google for a tab and start playing whatever you want, how could it be easier?!
These days people have everything at the touch of their mouses still so many are so lazy, like an USA friend of mine said, it's the spoon-feed generation, everything is so easy that they became lazy as hell.
I'm so grateful for being able to learn songs by ear, I can identify chords, toms, scales etc so practicing/studying is NEVER a waste of time
I started out on tab books and eventually started learning to use my ear to dissect songs, i think that is a must as a musician to be able to hear what the notes are instead of just seeing them on paper.
I think they can make you lazy or can make your playing progress quickly depending on how you use them, for example my friend was trying to learn Roth's "ladies night in buffalo" by ear, by the time he had learned to play it incorrectly by ear, i was playing the entire album note for note because i had the tab book, though they can make you complacent.
Yeah i'm glad i can identify notes/riffs when i hear songs and i agree it's NEVER EVER a waste of time to practice/study music
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