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post #1 of 13 (permalink) Old 01-31-2008, 07:43 PM Thread Starter
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Enough to make a good man swear!

Man, this kills me. What ever your political leaning, doesn't matter. Our soldiers are willingly putting themselves at risk of dying for free people, and this is how they are treated. At the end of the day, when you put aside your political party. You still got to respect these guys. They are doing the dirty work, getting blown up, shot at, underpaid, over committed, etc. And some freakin rent-a-cops at the air port treat them like this. It would make me want to stop fighting to secure the freedom for these insignificant little people at the airport.

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The Oakland International Airport did not break any laws or regulations when it denied 200 Marines and soldiers access to the passenger terminal during a layover last year from Iraq to the troops' home base in Hawaii, the Transportation Department says.

Calvin L. Scovell III, the department's inspector general, blamed the mix-up on security concerns and a communication failure between the Defense Department and the Homeland Security Department.

The contract to allow military layovers at the California airport "did not require that military personnel have access to the airport terminal; it only required that military personnel be allowed to deplane and stretch their legs on stops lasting over one hour," said a report released yesterday to House lawmakers who requested an investigation into the matter.

The Sept. 27 layover was the last stop for fuel and food, but the troops, who were returning from a tour in Iraq, were denied access to food and bathroom facilities.

A Marine reported the incident to Rep. John L. Mica, Florida Republican and ranking member of the House Transportation and Infrastructure Committee, and said it "felt like being spit on."

Airport officials were concerned that the flight's ground staff could not provide "an adequate level of escort and control of such a large group of military personnel in or around the terminal area," the inspector's report said.

The report also said the Homeland Security and Defense departments have no coordinated policy to conduct security screenings or a communications process to allow the Marines and soldiers in passenger terminals.

The review also found "miscommunication about the proper storage and safeguarding of weapons carried on board aircraft during the layover" and that the airport "could not confirm that weapons [on the plane] would be secured and safeguarded in accordance with Department of Defense regulations and that the Marines and soldiers would leave their weapons on board."
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"Airport officials were concerned that the flight's ground staff could not provide "an adequate level of escort and control of such a large group of military personnel in or around the terminal area," the inspector's report said."

I'm pretty sure the soliders could have fended for themselves.... they didn't need an escourt!

This is just terrible. Talk about showing respect to the people who you owe the security of ur life too.

i'm south african, but i still have a huge respect for these guys. iif you're american and don't have enough respect to let these guys through, you need to move to mexico where such treatment is usual
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"Airport officials were concerned that the flight's ground staff could not provide "an adequate level of escort and control of such a large group of military personnel in or around the terminal area," the inspector's report said."

I'm pretty sure the soliders could have fended for themselves.... they didn't need an escourt!

This is just terrible. Talk about showing respect to the people who you owe the security of ur life too.

i'm south african, but i still have a huge respect for these guys. iif you're american and don't have enough respect to let these guys through, you need to move to mexico where such treatment is usual
By South African...what do you mean. It says your location is the USA? Are you originally from there?
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An absolute SNAFU from beginning to end - the only bit that makes any sense is the last bit about having no assurance that weapons would be securely safeguarded - I can understand concern over that - as much the Dept of Defence's fault (if not more) for not communicating with the Airport officials if not more.

I am vehemently against what is happening in Iraq, but I totally agree with you Darin that these guys and girls who actually have to do the dirty work deserve the highest possible respect by the society who asks them to serve.
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An absolute SNAFU from beginning to end - the only bit that makes any sense is the last bit about having no assurance that weapons would be securely safeguarded - I can understand concern over that - as much the Dept of Defence's fault (if not more) for not communicating with the Airport officials if not more.

I am vehemently against what is happening in Iraq, but I totally agree with you Darin that these guys and girls who actually have to do the dirty work deserve the highest possible respect by the society who asks them to serve.
I'm torn about if we should have went in to begin with. But face it. The war is over, we did what we set out to do, we kicked their butt, killed their king freed their people, set up a new 'democracy', got schools going, electricity on, got the internet to them so they can post videos like these: http://youtube.com/watch?v=CoAHtDDlWvc

http://youtube.com/watch?v=M6CNiCKzpfs&feature=related
Man, those guys could so kick my butt! I'm not ever crossin one of them.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=UW1toLy_FMQ&feature=related



End this train wreck already.
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Ha, stumbled across this. Reason enough to make a young single guy want to inlist I'd say.

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I find it ironic that if there had been a security issue at another part of the airport, I am sure they would have no problem asking them for there military presence.
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There was a similar incident in the UK a couple of weeks ago - military personnel may not wear uniform in public unless on duty; a contingent returning from Afghanistan were forced to deplane and change on the tarmac. The squaddies expressed outrage, but I doubt that it was a big thing to them before the press got hold of it. When I was a serviceman I'd have thought it a huge laugh, especially if I was in a kilt at the time.
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When I was a serviceman I'd have thought it a huge laugh, especially if I was in a kilt at the time.
You bet Davy, after a long deployment it is always nice to get into some comfortable clothes as soon as possible. And then you all look at each other funny and laugh because you all haven't seen each other in anything but cammies for 7+ months.
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Without giving a lengthy explanation, I simply have to say that the reason why the soldiers weren't allowed in the terminal was because it constitutes a breach of national security (remember those last 2 words, as that is the term associated with these matters almost all the time).

9 times out of 10, when a group of soldiers have a layover of some sort, they are to be remanded in a hangar or in an isolated area where civilians have no access to.

With that being said, I don't necessarily agree with the issue but, I see the reason why.

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By South African...what do you mean. It says your location is the USA? Are you originally from there?
I moved from south africa here 5 years ago. So i'm living in TN, but i'm south african. i'm a us permanent resident, getting my citizenship.

and i'm not black. lol. just look at the pics i post.
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I am disappointed, but not surprised or shocked by this news. My service in the Marine Corps was characterized by a great contradiction, one that I imagine must be shared with other effective military organizations . . .

At times we were made to feel like nothing less than the saviors, defenders and protectors of our society, the pride of America, the "tip of the spear." We were told we were the best trained and equipped, the smartest, the strongest, the most highly educated warriors in history. At other times, we were treated like cattle, like property, like schoolchildren, like convicts.
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"Calvin L. Scovell III, the department's inspector general, blamed the mix-up on security concerns and a communication failure between the Defense Department and the Homeland Security Department."

Typical gov't stupidity. I know, I work for the DoD.

That said, this is hardly anything to get worked up over.
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