Facebook has value but is especially overloaded with self-promoters & drama sponges. Yawn. Many times i read a Jemsite post or reply (via email) and just don't consider posting due to the nature of how Rich replies It seems like the audience here has collectively embraced being an echo-chamber which impacts things for sure (good & bad). Enjoy the weekend!

You have long known the rules. When you have a loaded gun, don't play with the trigger.

Guns don't kill people, people kill people

^ i literally have no idea of what you posted actually meant. But speaking of guns if you ever want to man up and go break some Clays @ Lehigh Valley lemme know. it's equal distance i believe.

My typical trigger is with Ibanez haters hattin, not that I'm a zealot and believe they can do no wrong and I'll call them out whenever I feel it's justified. But when it's not, you're playing with the trigger

I don't have any skeet guns. Well, I have a SxS that was handed down that's probably from the 20's, but I'd prefer an OU less than 50 years old

Got spares?

You're unfairly branding scrutinization as "hating". Done exactly as you said - when you feel it's justified. Thing is your justification has become automated ... emotionally fueled by rash judgements. Literally a "perception" becomes (an alternate) "reality". Fascinating though!

LOL. I have spares... Italian autoloaders have 12GA/28" (hunting/trap/skeet/sporting), 12GA/30" (trap) & 20GA/26" (awesome for sporting clays or skeet) all with swap able chokes. Can possibly find/borrow an OU 12GA but i would recommend it... would really beat up (bruise) your shoulder if you're new to it and did 50 - nevermind 100 - shots.

Lehigh has trap + sporting clay (crossers & distance) but if you can drive to Old Bridge NJ we can do sporting clays @ a private club. Would be a good reintro if you haven't broken clays in a while. Just need to bring birds & shells. See if the location below is drivable the range is a few minutes drive in the woods on a gravel road.
Bagel Boy, 2329 Highway 516, Old Bridge, NJ 08857

I don't see it as scrutiny as much as persecution

Lehigh is almost further than Old Bridge!

I only shot skeet on a cruise once, I missed 1 in 20, but my eyes were alot better than. I'm still trying to figure out how to see pistol sights and the target at the same time and I seem to do better without glassed so I can see the sights and just shoot at the fuzzy object

Valuable or not, that's where the people are. As pointed out above, the Ibanez-related Facebook groups are pretty active.

I wouldn't discount the difficulty of posting pictures to a forum compared with Facebook or Instagram. Point your phone at it, click a picture and post it. Or copy and paste pictures from around the internet, post videos, etc. Interest forums are totally anachronistic, which is unfortunate because when this one ultimately goes away, it's going to take tons of great info with it.

Your vision is compromised

Old Bridge is a lot easier for me so lemme know if you want to pick a time/day.

As you know human eyes have only one focal plane and shooting a pistol with iron sights involves 3 planes (rear sight, front sight & target) only one of which (and should) be in focus.

That said a red dot sight or laser (rail mount) would allow doing what you want, looking at the target (distant focal plane) superimposing the dot over the target.


For sure. I'm sure Facebook is very active for just about any type of group. Just like Burger King is pretty popular for hamburgers. Should all other burger joints close shop?

Absolutely. Between apple and facebook dumb'ing down users/devices & the internet (walled garden approach aol 2.0 i'll call it) the masses (self-absorbed young participants posting selfies & food pics and senior participants posting pet photos) will surely follow.

So what is the problem? That a forum in 2017 is not more mainstream than Facebook? Some of you recently argued "Prestige" is easy enough to look-up and learn what it is from google. You can't have it both ways.

Not at all. In fact I've stated that I'm afraid that forums (along with their databases) will disappear. Jemsite has a ton of, for lack of a better term, intellectual property built up over 17 years. Facebook is not designed to be a repository of data. The disappearance of forums would literally cause the loss of 15+ years of built up knowledge on a host of topics. So what happens when traffic drops to the point where the people running the show decide its no longer worth keeping it up? I hope that someone has the foresight to buy the database and at the very least make it available for static searches.
I'm sorry but this is a lazy, get-off-my-lawn-y argument. Don't blame self-absorbed Millenials here because all the old 40-something guys from here are there as well. I'm not saying that things should change or even if it did would they make a difference. There are good and bad things with both platforms. I'm on your side here. I've been active on a number of forums since 1999 and am lamenting their passing. As much as I enjoy the ease of use on Facebook, I can tell that it's an ephemeral medium.

As far as the Prestige thing, that had nothing to do with forums vs social media. That was a commentary on a marketing idea gone awry.

Got a link to an exciting public facebook Ibanez group?

Ironically, this came into my newsfeed today... compuserv shuttering Dec 15.
https://www.fastcompany.com/40495831...-shutting-down

You're reading me wrong. I'm not "blaming" anyone for taking the path of least resistance. FB is easy as you said and it fits today's society.

Forums vs social media is sorta a moot discussion in terms of long term predictions. Social will have billions of users a click away but has backlash, privacy issues & unpredictability. Will snapchat really exist outside a Chinese telco in 4 years for example? How much SELF PROMOTION can people take on social media before they pull back, withdraw or walk away? Will work/governments screen social media limiting participation? Either way for now social media is easy/good enough (least common denominator).

But... web forum hosting is cheaper than ever and low-cost revenue for web page views is not exactly difficult in scale. Why would forums disappear? That I'm not following at all.

I quit Facebook in 2012, or roughly around the time of the IPO. I enjoyed Facebook for the brief time when only college students were allowed to join. The self-promotion combined with unsolicited opinions and general negativity about pretty much everything really started to become depressing. So I left. There are many people that will never hold political office because of Facebook.

Define exciting lol. They're all publicly searchable but are closed. Not that they deny anyone membership, just not viewable by the public. The two highest traffic ones for Ibanez seem to be "Ibanez RG Series Fans" and "Ibanez RG/Jem/Universe Group".
Well I'm glad to hear that you're bullish on the prospects of web forums. Everything I'm saying is more gut feel. Things like, any number of Ibanez-related sites that simply disappear when the person who runs them loses interest. Or, as time goes on the decreasing number of people who would have any idea how to administer a forum.

When a single person owns a forum or website, you're subject to that person's whims. Transferring ownership to a new person isn't always straightforward. Sure, the person who creates a Facebook group can simply delete it, but assuming they don't do that, transferring "ownership" is easier since they don't technically own or run anything.

For me, not visiting is a direct result of unanswered posts. Why bother posting if no one is going to respond. Crickets chirping. There are other forums where the views to reply ratio is much better, and getting no replies to a post is as bad as it can get. I love Ibbies. I love gear. I love playing music and very rarely, posting it, but if the sound of crickets chirping is all I can get here, then I'll take my marbles and go home. Later.
J

You started 24 threads, 3 of which got no replies, and in which you deleted all content to insure they never do

http://www.jemsite.com/forums/search...archid=2667314

And if you started a thread titled I Suck maybe crickets is the best thing to hear

To stay briefly on topic () I think part of what happened was the internet just continued to fragment and subdivide. I understand Facebook has been a factor here too, but I remember back in the day I started posting at Jemsite because it was a great resource for Satriani guitars, and then as I got into seven strings, for seven string guitars as well. Over time, though, first sevenstring.org launched and pulled a lot of the then-regulars in the seven string forum (myself included, I ended up a moderator over there) over there, and then a bunch of that crew split off after we sold the site and launched metalguitarist.org. I know Ibanez now has a forum of their own, I think Vai still has a forum (I honestly haven't looked in ages), I know there used to be a Satriani unofficial fan forum (no clue if it's still active, I did post there for a while though), etc etc etc.

This place used to be one of the best knowledge sources on the internet for a HUGE array of topics. A lot of those topics now have their own dedicated forums. As a guy who still owns a couple Ibanez guitars but spends most of his playtime on a couple Fenders or Suhrs these days, who was never THAT into Vai or Jems, and never really got the guitar collecting thing, I mostly still post here for the community and because I've known a couple of you guys over the 'net for damned near 20 years now.