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post #1 of 16 (permalink) Old 03-08-2013, 02:58 PM Thread Starter
 
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Jem 20th an inspiration?

Ok Guitar World called this a "masterpiece"... Is it just me or does it seem more than just a little "inspired by" the Jem 20th?

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Interesting.
Can Ibanez sue the way they were sued in the 70's?
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Re: Jem 20th an inspiration?

I particularly liked how the description talks about the inspiration coming from lucite Dan Armstrong guitars from the 60's... Meanwhile it has a vine inlay that is a slightly expanded version of Iby's vine inlay. I mean, I know lucite bodies have been experimented with for quite a while, but a lucite strat-shaped body with a 24-fret vine-inlay neck... And absolutely no mention of the Jem 20th? Seems like a conspicuously absent comparison...
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Re: Jem 20th an inspiration?

I see no reason why its inspired by the JEM 20th. Ibanez weren't the first with a vine inlay, nor were they first with a lucite body.
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I see no reason why its inspired by the JEM 20th. Ibanez weren't the first with a vine inlay, nor were they first with a lucite body.
Both points true. But to have that combination and quote other "influences" but not the most recent, most similarly styled guitar seemed odd to me. Not a big deal, just odd...
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Not everyone is into Jems and pays attention to them. The maker first saw the lucite guitar in the sixties when Keith Richards was using them. I don't think the maker really listens to Vai.
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Yeah that is perfectly valid. I just think that if a maker decided "Hey, I remember those lucite guitars from the 60's and wanna try making one..." even a cursory research into what has been done in that arena would pull up the Jem20 as one of the most recent examples. Wasn't there a lucite JS a few years ago also? So I was surprised Iby wasn't mentioned at all since they produced te. Most recent high-end lucite guitars.

At any rate I was more surprised the column seemed to pitch it as this crazy innovative thing and I was just kinda like what's the big deal?
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Re: Jem 20th an inspiration?

Washburn made tinted lucite guitars too, if memory serves.

That's an interesting guitar.
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Re: Jem 20th an inspiration?

That guitar looks so dumb. Too dull/flashy at the same time. That axe is missing a chromosome imo
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I see no reason why its inspired by the JEM 20th. Ibanez weren't the first with a vine inlay, nor were they first with a lucite body.
Very true but the Jem 20th put them together.
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Re: Jem 20th an inspiration?

the knock off Lucite Jems were out before the 20th anniversary, so its been done before the 20ths...

Lucite is nothing new, and the vine inlay Ibanez stole from guitars many many moons ago.

Its nothing new. Ibanez doesnt have squat to sit on, and the guitar personally looks nothing like a Jem so I highly doubt it was inspired by or trying to cop some ibanez vibe.

In the real world Ibanez are seen as cookie cutter guitars. Shredders, metal heads machines, not versatile, etc.

Clearly the guitar was inspired by a strat, 3 single coils, 5 way, etc.


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This thread is dumb.
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the knock off Lucite Jems were out before the 20th anniversary, so its been done before the 20ths...

Lucite is nothing new, and the vine inlay Ibanez stole from guitars many many moons ago.

Its nothing new. Ibanez doesnt have squat to sit on, and the guitar personally looks nothing like a Jem so I highly doubt it was inspired by or trying to cop some ibanez vibe.

In the real world Ibanez are seen as cookie cutter guitars. Shredders, metal heads machines, not versatile, etc.

Clearly the guitar was inspired by a strat, 3 single coils, 5 way, etc.


SHORT VERSION:
This thread is dumb.
Ibbys have that reputation over here in Japan, but the funny thing is, the thin necks are desired over here by chicks because they can get their hands around the neck... But most heavier guitarists over here use ESP. Go figure, Fujigen and Ibanez get ignored even though there are MIJ... Stupid "America makes things better" crap.
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Re: Jem 20th an inspiration?

I wish Ibanez would do a solid color lucite RG like BC Rich did several years ago with their Warlocks. A solid lucite green, blue, or red RG would be awesome.
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I wish Ibanez would do a solid color lucite RG like BC Rich did several years ago with their Warlocks. A solid lucite green, blue, or red RG would be awesome.
I wish they would stop making all black and white guitars and do some more blue/red stuff. The fact the Iron labels are all white/black is enough. We need some more candy apples like there used to be.
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Re: Jem 20th an inspiration?

In 2008 they put out a Candy Apple RG1570. You can probably find this NOS in many people's inventory for cheap. Rich might have a few. That and the CA RG321 can be found with some frequency on the bay in new or like new condition.
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