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post #1 of 24 (permalink) Old 05-17-2014, 02:37 PM Thread Starter
 
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Scott Grove - ******* or Visionary?

Scott Grove - nothing more to say. If you've heard of him, what's your opinion? If you haven't heard of him, YouTube the name, he puts name in all his video titles. Nothing more to say. Personally he sounds like a jackass to me, but maybe that's because I'm a "dumb motherf*cker"(watch the videos, you'll get the reference)
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post #2 of 24 (permalink) Old 05-17-2014, 02:48 PM
 
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Re: Scott Grove - ******* or Visionary?

I know of Scott Grove.My opinion of him is even though he comes off as an ******* to many, he's also very knowledgeable.He does insult people but I just look past it.I enjoy his videos for the most part though.but as I stated just my opinion of him.I know many feel otherwise
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I agree somewhat, he seems like he knows some thing, just not as much as he thinks he does.
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Re: Scott Grove - ******* or Visionary?

He definitely knows his stuff and makes boring details of used instruments interesting. He doesn't make generalizations like USA is always better than MIM Fenders or USA is always better than MIJ. He also isn't a pre-CBS or pre-Norlin snob and instead of looking at negatives, he finds the good points of just about everything he reviews.

I have seen more reputable "stores" online outlining a piece of gear and while the camera work or lighting was better, the substance was weak. Scott Grove is never weak and that says a lot for somebody who speaks for hours and hours.

He has a lot of confidence in his knowledge and his playing and isn't shy to say something that may not go with general norms but he can back it up.

I don't always like the showman type, but at least he's entertaining. I also find it a lot of fun, and get to hear a lot of old gear with Phil X on his Fretted Americana videos.

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Re: Scott Grove - ******* or Visionary?

First impression was: Complete knob end who had his hair cut while wearing a WW2 stahlhelm.

However, like passing an accident I kept looking. The man knows his stuff, I think he may be somewhat of a conspiracy theorist though, seems like he has had a lot of great ideas stolen from him, so don't be surprised if in a few years he's arrested by the secret service for some presidential plot because the "pres has been reading my mind and stealing my idears". I will watch more of his videos though, so.....

Final verdict: Complete knob end who knows his stuff which makes the arrogance and ignorance somewhat easier to tolerate as he has quite a bit to teach.
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Re: Scott Grove - ******* or Visionary?

I think he is pretty hilarious. He really doesn't care what people think and that's what makes him enjoyable to watch. I don't really agree with most of his opinions though.
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Re: Scott Grove - ******* or Visionary?

watched a couple of his vids. like it when he calls Ibanez a ghost company. says there is no difference in the sound of a guitar no matter what the guitar is made from and that he could play all over steve vai if vai tried to play the blues with him.
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Re: Scott Grove - ******* or Visionary?

Even though he is long winded, I find most of his stuff is helpful and informative. His abrasiveness is how he chooses to market himself and he even states so many times. Basically even if you don't "like" him it drives hits to his vids which gets him paid. I can't say Ive watched all his vids but I have watched a few. So far, the only the thing he states as fact that I can't agree with is that the wood of the guitar doesn't matter to the sound. I can clearly hear the difference between a tone zone in a mahogany RG vs a basswod RG, same goes with an evo.
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watched a couple of his vids. like it when he calls Ibanez a ghost company. says there is no difference in the sound of a guitar no matter what the guitar is made from and that he could play all over steve vai if vai tried to play the blues with him.
Technically Ibanez is a "ghost" brand. They do not own any of the factories that produce guitars for them that I am aware of.
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watched a couple of his vids. like it when he calls Ibanez a ghost company. says there is no difference in the sound of a guitar no matter what the guitar is made from and that he could play all over steve vai if vai tried to play the blues with him.

For the most part, I think he's alright, but the part that you're talking about where be says Vai would "fall on his face" if he tried playing his stuff kind of annoyed me. I hate to sound like a Vai fanboy, but I'm pretty sure Vai could slay his butt in any genre, blues included. The part in the the same video where he calls Vai a not very bright guy is kind of a dick move. Which one of the 2 do you think knows more about the guitar? Not Grove. I think this was in reference to the trans-jem pickups in the acrylic body JEM.
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After watching some of the "Ghost building" vid he clearly thinks he knows what he's talking about, and it's a fact that companies will have guitars built by many different builders to suit specific needs, but he's clearly a tool when he says all Steve and Joe's guitars are built in California and not by Ibanez as any guitars actually built at the LACS are the most "Ibanez" guitars of any Ibanez built, because LACS is a production facility solely owned and run by Hoshino.

Any single custom guitar is most likely going to be built by LACS, as are most prototyping for new models for any US artist, because that is what custom shops do, build single one off guitars. Also it's far easier to deal with prototyping in the same country as it is doing it internationally, which doesn't make any sense. When prototyping is complete and production begins then the guitars will just come off the line in Japan [or Indo/China in some cases].

Many times Joe or Steve will be playing their final version LACS built guitar, but just as often they will be playing a guitar fully built at Fujigen, right off the production line, tweaked by their techs just as I would work on anything I would sell. So when Steve gets replacement necks for his VWH's, right off the Fujigen production line. When Joe wants a new 2400, LACS doesn't build it, there's no point, it comes off the production line. After having many LACS guitars I have always preferred the regular production Fujigen models.
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Re: Scott Grove - ******* or Visionary?

Was Scott Grove the troll?
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Even though he is long winded, I find most of his stuff is helpful and informative. His abrasiveness is how he chooses to market himself and he even states so many times. Basically even if you don't "like" him it drives hits to his vids which gets him paid. I can't say Ive watched all his vids but I have watched a few. So far, the only the thing he states as fact that I can't agree with is that the wood of the guitar doesn't matter to the sound. I can clearly hear the difference between a tone zone in a mahogany RG vs a basswod RG, same goes with an evo.
Sometimes he likes the contribution of wood, but like you said, he's stated that it's all the pickups. I have learned a lot on different sounds and pickups from watching Scott though I don't always agree but much of what he says is more opinion. I think in general if you watch most of his videos, he believes it's "mostly" the pickups which I can easily agree with. But other factors like the wood can sometimes be heard easily, but other times not. Also vintage guitars with older pickups sometimes sound different than same model that's brand new. At least he doesn't think that all the pickup winders forgot how to do the job once Leo sold the company so he doesn't seem to be awed by collector's value and is more interested in guitars from a player's point of view.

If I was a vintage collector not interested in playing that much I would avoid Scott but for some kid just getting into playing and exploring all the models and sounds, this isn't a bad site.

Sometimes I don't agree with his sometimes extreme take on things but I would be much better off going with what I hear from his site than brochures of any brand I have seen. He tends to like telecasters and country music but he has his rocker side and a love for Icemans.

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Re: Scott Grove - ******* or Visionary?

Yeah, the guy comes off as a jerk... but it sounds like he does know what he's talking about to some degree. You can't fault a guy for relying on his wealth of experience to make some crazy or not-so-crazy conclusions... but he could be a little more decent about it... lol!

In my mind, very little is completely black and white in this world. Especially when you talk about something as subjective as "sound quality", which can be completely different from person to person. So many factors play into sound... or vibrations, compression and rarefaction. Acoustical interfaces... elasticity and density of materials greatly affect the way that sound waves travel through substances. I can see how electrically the signal from a pickup would be the same no matter what... but you can't discount the subtleties of sustain and how that affects complex harmonics at barely perceptible frequencies. Kind of like the way that records sound better than cd's... but logically there is no way that the human ear should be able to perceive a difference.

Moot point anyway... good sound is good sound!
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Was Scott Grove the troll?
Yeah. He posts highly opinionated Youtube videos spouting off very controverisal things ("wood doesn't matter - it's all pickups") as fact, and is very dismissive towards people who don't agree with his views. The idea, as I understand it, is that if they're controversial enough they'll get posted and reposted enough and debated enough on guitar discussion forums all over the internet, by people who agree AND disagree with him.

In some ways he's pretty knowledgeable. In others, my personal experience doesn't agree with his (I do tend to hear a difference in the picking attck of different fretboard materials, and I can hear clear enough acoustic differences between guitars made from different body woods, consistently enough, that I can't believe wood doesn't have ANY influence), and if he stated his beliefs with a more moderate, "these are my views for these reasons" tone I wouldn't have any problem with him.

In others though, he's dead wrong. I remembered watching a video where he states that there's no difference between American and Mexican Fenders, because it's often the same workers driving back and forth over the border making them. Even ignoring obvious differences like specs (21 vs 22 fret necks) that's obviously not possible considering the two factories are something like 400 miles apart.

So, I just don't take him terribly seriously. For all of his accurate points, there are too many statements he make that are much more debatable than he lets on (some people really believe fretboard wood doesn't make a difference; I disagree, but that's my personal belief and that's fine, there's room for a range of opinions), and there are still other statements (the Fender employees) that are just factually inaccurate and are NOT open to debate.

So, I just make a point of not watching his videos, because the more plays he gets, the more he's encouraged to continue posting flame-bait like this. I think this kind of stuff hurts reasoned discussion.
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