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post #1 of 22 (permalink) Old 05-13-2009, 04:42 PM Thread Starter
 
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What does OEM mean to you?

Wikipedia -- An original equipment manufacturer, or OEM is typically a company that uses a component made by a second company in its own product, or sells the product of the second company under its own brand.

My question is, they say they are OEM, does that mean what they produce is the real thing?

I was looking thru a few overseas guitar factory websites and they say they are OEM.
Sites like, qisheng-guitars com and fujigen co jp

Hope I'm making my self clear --thanks in advance.

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Re: What does OEM mean to you?

To me, OEM means that the manufacturer or parts supplier is licensed to trade exclusively under their brand and standards and is legally bound to do so.
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Re: What does OEM mean to you?

Pana,

thank you.

So, the two sites i referenced, they produce authentic equipment do you think ?

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I did not look at them both. One of them, qisheng-guitars.com does not make Ibanez, ESP or Gibson OEM equipment. But they can still call themselves an OEM since they do indeed manufacture, and they are in China where copyright infringement is not strictly enforced.

Don't expect to buy an authentic or genuine anything from them, besides an authentic qisheng guitar.
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Re: What does OEM mean to you?

Perfect --thank you!

I only want authentic!

Do you know of any overseas factory's that make authentic guitars?

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Re: What does OEM mean to you?

Fujigen, a Japanese manufacturer, does make guitars for ibanez and so they would be an OEM. Can't get more authentic than that.

As to your question of any overseas factories that make authentic guitars, sure, there are plenty, it just depends on whether they are authorized by the brand owner to do so.
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Perfect --thank you!

I only want authentic!

Do you know of any overseas factory's that make authentic guitars?

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There is no way to actually get a high quality American or Japanese guitar from a Chinese company on the Internet. All of the ones you find out there on the Internet are fakes, and the guitars on qisheng-guitars.com are complete garbage.
There are no loopholes or secret sites or anything like that. If you want a halfway decent guitar that's still cheaper than dirt, RondoMusic.com and the SX/Agile brands are about your only option.
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Re: What does OEM mean to you?

Thank you all for your great information!

"qisheng-guitars.com are complete garbage."

what makes you say this?
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Re: What does OEM mean to you?

OEM means "Original Equipment Manufacturer" and nothing more. If a company is saying they make OEM Ibanez parts other than Ibanez (or whoever the specific supplier of parts for Ibanez happens to be), it's a false claim and I would not trust the company. OEM is not a term that is up for interpretation.

I don't know everything about every Chinese company, but I know that in general their manufacturing standards are very, very poor. The idea is to make a product look as close to the original as possible, as cheaply as possible. All you pay for is a similar look.
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Re: What does OEM mean to you?

In this particular case, "Original" doesn't mean "authentic." It means that this particular company has assembled a series of parts into a finished, sellable product.

If a small company makes some parts, it is not the OEM for the finished product.
If a second, usually larger company assembles these subcontractors' parts into a completed product, it is the OEM.
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In this particular case, "Original" doesn't mean "authentic." It means that this particular company has assembled a series of parts into a finished, sellable product.

If a small company makes some parts, it is not the OEM for the finished product.
If a second, usually larger company assembles these subcontractors' parts into a completed product, it is the OEM.
very true, although for small company you can also read suppliers (tier1, tier2 etc.) In that case the tier can be as big or bigger than the OEM (case in point: the automotive industry, where Bosch, Delphi, Faurecia, Magna, etc. are huge -tier1- suppliers.)

To make matters confusing these exact parts that get sold to OEMs are sometimes also sold separately and as such will be labelled "OEM versions". On the other hand such OEM parts may be limited strictly to OEM use. IE, Dimarzio supplies OEM pickups to Ibanez, but not retail, or MS supplies Vista OEM to Dell computers, but it may differ in details from Vista retail. This all depends on the deal between OEM and supplier.

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Fujigen, a Japanese manufacturer, does make guitars for ibanez and so they would be an OEM. Can't get more authentic than that.
Not really, Fujigen builds guitars, including all MIJ Ibanez models, but they will not sell anything similar to an Ibanez model under their own brand (ie no RG, no Jem, no S) but they do build Fujigen branded -high quality- guitars including Les Paul and Strat copies.

This process of making something only to put another manufacturer's name on it is known as tolling (full production outsourcing) So Fujigen is an OEM only for its own branded guitars but a toller for Ibanez. Ibanez is the OEM, although they do not manufacture anything themselves! (much like Dell or Nike)

Simply put: In the relationship between Ibanez and Fujigen, Ibanez is the OEM but Fujigen is not.

Ibanez has had a similar arrangement with Cord (Korea) which builds MIK Ibanez guitars, but also sells guitars under its own brand. The relationships between Ibanez and Fujigen or Cord are pretty straightforward and well known, but its relationship with suppliers and tollers in China and Indonesia is much more obscure. Once you outsource to China (or India) there is a good chance that your designs will get copied by your own local suppliers, their suppliers or their competitors. Not that it matters since none of them can claim OEM status when it comes to Ibanez guitars.

Note that tolling is pretty normal in the automotive industry as well, for example the (Euro) Chrysler 300C is build at Steyr in Austria. Steyr is not an OEM, but Chrysler is. However when you buy a set of Delphi brake pads for your 300C, these may be labelled OEM parts.

With Ibanez guitars -much like with cars- the proof should be in the serial number (VIN for cars) which should indicate the manufacturing location.

To some OEM is a stamp of approval, especially if the choice is OEM parts v aftermarket parts. But to others (most notably in the "real" v OEM Dimarzio discussions) it somehow means lesser quality or generic. Presumably because Ibanez will have a good deal with Dimarzio for the ibz models and would pay less than a normal customer would pay retail for the same pickup. Higher price must mean higher quality, right?

To me it's meaningless, I prefer to look at the actual quality of parts, it helps to know where stuff comes from. To be fair I, wouldn't want to touch a non-Fujigen Ibanez, and I'm not interested in a MIJ Ibanez with the MIC Edgezero either.

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"qisheng-guitars.com are complete garbage."

what makes you say this?
I've played a number of these things. People have brought them to my house to get my opinion on them after they've bought them, and sometimes they just leave them rather than spend any more time with them. My daughter Emily has a "Gibson Les Paul Custom" under her bed or in her closet or something; it wouldn't make a good hammer.
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I don't know everything about every Chinese company, but I know that in general their manufacturing standards are very, very poor. The idea is to make a product look as close to the original as possible, as cheaply as possible. All you pay for is a similar look.
I agree with this in general. However I've played a couple of Chinese Ibanez's that were really impressive. I think the tables turned when they started courting the higher-end guitars, and not just the cheapies. There's a world of difference between a Rondo and a higher-end Ibby made in China.
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I know that oem means Original equipment manufacturer,But Kent armstrong pickups say oem on some that are cheaper but the ones that cost more would'nt they be oem to you see my point.None of them say oem why is that,
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I did not look at them both. One of them, qisheng-guitars.com does not make Ibanez, ESP or Gibson OEM equipment. But they can still call themselves an OEM since they do indeed manufacture, and they are in China where copyright infringement is not strictly enforced.

Don't expect to buy an authentic or genuine anything from them, besides an authentic qisheng guitar.
An OEM Jem? No such thing! That second link sells this:


Sure looks like a common Chibanez to me...

Oh hell, just go look at all of the crap on page three--they're all the typical Chibanez crap:
http://qisheng-guitars.com/eproduct3.htm




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