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post #1 of 27 (permalink) Old 09-23-2001, 03:08 PM Thread Starter
 
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Alder on 7V - good for sustain ... bad for tone?

Will the sustain one gets from an alder body on a 7V give better sustain at the cost of tone?

I ask because I might very soon purchase one.
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post #2 of 27 (permalink) Old 09-23-2001, 03:24 PM
 
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Alder on 7V

Er.

I don't think Alder will 'cost' you sustain at all. And I actually like the tone of it, it's got a nice soft kind of natural mid-scoop with soft highs.
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post #3 of 27 (permalink) Old 09-23-2001, 04:14 PM Thread Starter
 
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Alder on 7V

Not cost sustain... cost of tone. Do you own a 7V?
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Alder on 7V

No I dont own a 7V, but I do own 3 Alder-bodied guitars because I like the tone of Alder. I'm not sure what leads you to think that Alder is toneless.

I actually like the sound of it a lot.
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post #5 of 27 (permalink) Old 09-23-2001, 06:36 PM
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Alder on 7V

The tone and sustain are excellent with the alder body. The entire 7VWH is great. These questions are pretty much the same as your other post "AANJ vs. BNJ" Give the 7VWH a test run, you won't be dissappointed.
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Alder on 7V

One of the reasons I didn't buy a JEM earlier was that they DIDN'T make one of alder, until, of course, the 7VWH. I never used to like the sound of basswood, in fact.
Oddly enough, my first and only JEM (so far:biggrin is a BSB, which is, yup, basswood. And its the most vibrant , toneful guitar I've ever played.Ilove the sound of it.
* * * * * So, um..I guess that means You should completely Disregard everything I've just said.
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post #7 of 27 (permalink) Old 09-25-2001, 12:22 AM
 
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Alder on 7V

LOL

just goes to prove that sometimes these little biases we have ("i'll only buy guitars with a maple top because of the tone!", etc. whatever) are pretty much meaningless when you pick up a guitar that you'll end up liking.

i used to *hate* basswood and i disliked rosewood fingerboards, didn't like metallic finishes on guitars, and was appalled by matte black hardware... but look at my current favorite axe that i own... an RG7620... it has a metallic finish, black hardware; its made of basswood and has a rosewood fingerboard, and the only thing i don't like about the guitar is the fact that the trem is being a bit annoying lately (which is completely irrelevant to this thread). i fell in love with this axe at a little store in a small town and bought it as soon as i had the cash.

just try out the guitar (if you can) and judge it then. i like alder because i have experience with it on strats, which are pretty much my favorite guitars. the tone isn't too bright and cutting like swamp ash, but isn't as thick as mahogany. its a nice in-between, generally warm tone with nice sustain. the ebony fretboard should give it some nice high-end snap though, so keep that in mind. if you like strats in general, then you're an alder fan (unless you like the vintage swamp ash ones heheh).

just trust your heart, ears, and fingers on a guitar purchase, so good luck man, and i hope the VWH is for you

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post #8 of 27 (permalink) Old 09-25-2001, 11:39 AM
 
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Alder on 7V

I own the 7v & it's awesome tone-wise IMHO; I call this the "unforgiving" axe as it's very pure & honest - what you do with it is exactly what you get out of it. *What I mean is I've got some axes with some great thick sounding pups, direct mounted & the sound is just huge & fat - on these guys I can play like **** & still sound good; on the other hand if I play sloppy on the 7v it shows BIG TIME.

The 7v keeps you honest - for hard rock I find it's a great lead instrument & love it for clean to slightly broken up rhthym sounds. *For rock rhthym playing I prefer the huge fat sounds from my other axes.
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Alder on 7V

I think the 7V is a really great lead guitar. *On very high gain settings the notes still have a lot of clarity and they tend not to get crunch or rasp but maintain their individual character. *The sustain on the guitar is very very very good. *When unplugged it defeats my JPM with no problems.
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Alder on 7V

I've got 2 alder RG's, and they get much more playing time than my basswood RG.
Right now it's a toss up between alder and mahogany for me. I've played a couple mahogany guitars (RG prestige's) and I really liked em. I guess I need to own one to really compare it to alder.
But basswood just isn't my thing.
(BTW, is basswood pronounced like the fish, or the instrument?)
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Alder on 7V

ummm, isn't the 7V a Basswood body with an Alder veneer?

oops i have that backwards, sorry.

alder w/basswood veneer......

(Edited by kirk at 3:36 pm on Sep. 25, 2001)
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Alder on 7V

Ardell Henderson - That's really interesting that you say it's a very pronounced instrument and mistakes or imperfections in ones playing come through very easily. I like that. Helps improve ones technique and means the tone probably screams in your face! I like that very much.

Doink - I pronounce it like the fish (basswood)
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Alder on 7V

exactly!!! *that's the same take I had on it; cause & effect - I better pay attention to what I'm doing!!
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Alder on 7V

So you would not only play this instrument out of the incredible tone, playability, trem action or the beauty of the instrument of itself...... but also for the fact that it makes for a very fine practice instrument?

That is so awesome. Not a lot of people would look at it that way.

What about when you want a clean, softer tone? Can this guitar manage it in any way without special amp effects? Just straight guitar/clean amp?

I know basswood does that very well. My 555 proves that.

How would you feel about clean tone?
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Alder on 7V

7v for clean tone depends on the application - I've managed to get very "bell-like" tones out of it. *For smooth warm tones I think I'd use a different fiddle.
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