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post #1 of 25 (permalink) Old 05-30-2003, 02:11 PM Thread Starter
 
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asking pics from ppl with the white jem (JEM7VWH)

hey

im thinking of buying the white jem but its gonna be used one

prob 1-3 years old

alot of ppl saying the gold on the hardware is fading away,
so i was wondering if anyone have pics of used jems

u can post here or if u cant plz send thru icq my way
116207485

thanx peeps.

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Since the VWH hasn't really changed in the 10 years it's been available, they'll all look the same.

Are you simply looking for pictures of faded hardware or what? If you just want to see what a used VWH looks like, then you can't really get much better then the pics here:

http://www.vai.com/Machines/guitars1.html

As for the hardware- the gold finish can dull a bit over time. Normally, this happens most on the bass saddles of the tremolo. It's normal- just about ANY gold-plated hardware will do this.
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thanx bud but i need some close ups on the hardware

the one in the big pic had black harware and the rest are too far

hmm yea i am looking for faded hardware to see how bad it fades

thanx for replying
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here's where i'd like to say...

who cares if it fades or corrodes.

get it to play to perfection and let it wear as it wears. this all depends on climate, care and to some degree your body chemistry (sweat/acidity)... glen
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For some people appearance of an instrument IS a huge issue. If the hardware starts corroding then it's at a greater risk of needing to be replaced someday. When hardware is replaced on instruments it lowers the overall value of it.

Not all folks that buy Jems are players and not buyers are collectors. Considering the market right now for "reliced" guitars, or instruments that have the wear marks on them that show that they've been played the lifespan of the instrument as a whole is a very important aspect people are paying alot of attention to.

To sell that short is to really sell short the timelessness of what Jems will be in the future. And since most speculation has been that of the non-limited production line, the VWHs are probably going to be legendary. It is a big deal.

No one wants to buy a guitar that looks great and plays great but will look cruddy in a few years due to completely reasonable treatment.
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thanks you just made my point clearer

any guitar (or object) is subject to wear and tear. if you're afraid a VWH will wear, then common sense dictates you best not purchase any pricy instrument. All guitars will wear, subject to what i posted above ...glen


ps - the VWHs are not collectable, nor will they ever be in our lifetime given their 10 year production run and counting.
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Oh the gold wears off a bit on the saddles and the side of the trem but that's inherent to gold hardware. And it doesn't mean diddly squat. Gibson's Black Beauty is an even bigger [email protected] with those golden pup-caps. It's not that dramatic and I consider people who object to it whinoes...
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Oh the gold wears off a bit on the saddles and the side of the trem but that's inherent to gold hardware. And it doesn't mean diddly squat. Gibson's Black Beauty is an even bigger [email protected] with those golden pup-caps. It's not that dramatic and I consider people who object to it whinoes...
Really?

One Jem in mint condition with no hardware blemishes.

Second Jem with the gold worn off.

Which one commands a higer price? Which one would a collector be more apt to purchase?

Thanks for playing...
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thanks you just made my point clearer

ps - the VWHs are not collectable, nor will they ever be in our lifetime given their 10 year production run and counting.
The Jem line has been fraught with color after color that are victim of the 80's mentality. Very few Jems posess the scheme to have any sort of timeless quality to it. Even with a 10 year run they're collectible; look at the price they command now! Bottom line...if you want a Jem and you want one that isn't the "avacado green" on the 70's you're probably looking at a VWH. Actual depreciation post-sale with little to no play time isn't all that huge either. Buy a Les Paul and walk out of the shop with it and it'll drop a grand!
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VWHs: $2560 list price w/ case that sells in parts of the USA for $1800. You can regularly buy VWHs used in mint condition at 50-60% off LIST.

trust me the VWHs are as collectable as a 2003 LesPaul. Nice instruments but not collectable by any defination of the word ...glen
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VWHs: $2560 list price w/ case that sells in parts of the USA for $1800. You can regularly buy VWHs used in mint condition at 50-60% off LIST.

trust me the VWHs are as collectable as a 2003 LesPaul. Nice instruments but not collectable by any defination of the word ...glen
If you're spending $1800 new for a VWH then I've got a bridge to sell you.
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If you actually believe that a VWH is or ever will be collectable, I've got some great beachfront real estate in Florida to sell YOU!

$1800 for a VWH w/ case? Musician's Enemy sells them for $1750, and they seem to go through them just fine, as does GC. Not everybody does their homework- some people just want the guitar and don't feel like spending the time to check around with a dozen different places.

Judging from the ever-so-slight differences in resale value and the effect that corroded hardware actually has, I'd take a broken-in JEM7VWH with some hardware tarnishing over a "mint" one anyday. A lot can be done with the extra couple of hundred $$
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thanx for all the post

i guess u right

ill go check it next week

i also have some one selling a jem77

he wants more than the dude with the vwh

how much its really worth?
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Really?

One Jem in mint condition with no hardware blemishes.

Second Jem with the gold worn off.

Which one commands a higer price? Which one would a collector be more apt to purchase?

Thanks for playing...
A 7VWH isn't a collector's item...mostly the first one to go when they're short on cash or whatever...and they're meant to be played on, not looked at.
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Ten years old and the picture was taken yesterday. Ah, the benefits of my weird don't-lean-on-the-trem technique.

(This isn't from being precious either; when I first began learning I always made the guitar go very slightly sharp leaning on the trem, so cut it out entirely.)

For some reason, the locking nut and retainer have corroded worse than the other parts.
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