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post #1 of 19 (permalink) Old 04-05-2001, 01:13 PM Thread Starter
 
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Comparing Breeds and PAF Pros - ... characteristics

I've never played a guitar with the PAF Pros before and I was wondering about it's characteristics compared the Breeds.

I've heard many say "give me PAF Pros hands down" but having never played one myself, it would be hard to understand.

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My experience with PAF-Pro is that it sounds GREAT in the neck position. *I don't like it as much in the Bridge - the sound is a wee bit 'soft'....not involume, in tonal characteristice. *I don't know if that helps you.

I don't know from the Breeds....my combinationd of PAF-neck and EVo bridge works nicely.
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its all about personal preference!!
I actually LOVE the PAF pros!!
I have them in most of my guitars. i also like the duncan trembuckers as well but not before Dimarzio!

I have the Breeds in my UV and i was very impressed with them. In fact i like them so much that i tie them in 2nd place with the trembucker.

It really dependes on what you like. I like the softness of the PAF and i can can sqeeze very lush tones out of it. With the breed, its like an Evolution/PAF in one!! very nice. I used to play Evo's but realized i just didnt care for them... Kudos to Dimarzio for making the best p/ups in the biz!!\

I suggest you find a guitar, a nice one like yours if you have one or a similar type that you have, with a PAF in it, bring your amp and FX so you can really get the feel for it. if you like but arent sure, go to ebay or something and get a used one....

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Try them and see for yourself
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PAFs to me, lack power compared to the breed. *you really have to hear them; night and day difference. *

breeds are tighter, brighter, and better for metal if you want the megadeth type tone. *also very great for dream theater tones. *

pafs are more thuddy....more muddy, no where nearly as tight. *they are good but lack power. *i'm picky. *that's my opinion.
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just out of interest...
what are your thoughts on a Tone Zone in the bridge compared with a Breed ( I have a PAF Pro in the neck)-how do they compare?

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The Breeds have tighter low end and more power, I would recommend them over the PAF Pros. *
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With the breed, its like an Evolution/PAF in one
That explains it perfectly for me

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With the breed, its like an Evolution/PAF in one!! very nice.
Hmmmmmmmmmmm......I wonder where they got the name "Breed" from?
Duh :sarcasm:
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just out of interest...
what are your thoughts on a Tone Zone in the bridge compared with a Breed ( I have a PAF Pro in the neck)-how do they compare?

cheers

Simon


Remember, its all about preference. To me, the Tone Zones are a junky p/up. they sound very muddled and lack clarity.. just mushy, *I had on in my tiger usa custom and it sounded awful!. If you're looking for some screeching harmonics and pinch harmonics, I really suggest the Dimarzio Super 3's. I recently discovered them and they are great... * * * * *just for that. I am definitely throwing one of those in one of my guitars. But the main will always be the PAF pros and the Trembuckers and the Breeds!!

Give em all a try... if your intent on buying a pickup, some stores will let you buy it and if you don't like it *they will let you swap for a another at no extra charge..except the installation... I can put them in myself.. try to learn how to do it yourself. if you're in Houston, Rockin Robin and TME does this kind of swap out.

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This is straight from the DiMarzio web site;

Evolution (B)----404mv *13.84k
Tone Zone (B)--375mv * 17.31k
Breed(B)--------356mv *17.07k
Paf Pro---------300mv * *8.4k

Given the low output and resistance of the Paf Pro, it wouldn't be my first choice for a bridge pickup. I have a Tone Zone in an RG and it sounds great. I also have the Breed in a Jem and it gives me great tone for those hairspray metal tunes.

My suggestion would be to NOT use a Paf Pro in the bridge. Any of the others would be a fine choice.

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I would seriously disagree with you there jimm. but thats OK It IS all about preference.

I have the charst as well and i do use them in making some of my choices. But for me and alot of other players, that PAF pro is excellent in the bridge position. i would'nt even consider it in the neck... not with so many better choices.
BTW, what style of music are you playing??? that also has a lot to do with a bridge p/u preference. My sound is very diverse, from satriani melodic to Pantera crunch. I get it all from the PAF. The only thing really lacking in it is the the harmonics and i am not too happy with that. thats why i like the Super 3 and the trembuckers and the Breeds but... with with all of those, you compromise a bit of your sound with each p/up.

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Ahhhhh....disagreement....the spice of life.

I, like you, go from melodic clean to insane crunch.
The most ironic thing is, in my 550 Dante Custom, I have the stock V8 and V7 that blow away the Breed and Tone Zone. Go figure that one.

But I will agree that the style of music played will dictate the pickup used. An X2N would not work playing soft jazz...but you never know.

The nice thing about having a few (read guitars is I get to experiment with different pickups.

If I want to play Queensriche, Vai or Satch I pick up the DBK (breeds). I want to crank on some Halen, the Dante (V. I want to tear into some Megadeth, the 3120 (tone zone). Love all the sounds.

In the LNG replica comming soon will be a Steve's Special. I can hardly wait for that one. I've never heard or played a SS before, so I'm looking forward to it. And just so you know...I'm pairing it up with....a Paf Pro....

Gotta run...Ice cream man is commin'

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Make mine with garlic

Its SOOO funny you mentioned the V7 and V8, i was actually gonna say the same thing comparing them to the tone zone, but i felt like i was rambling a bit!!

...and I'm with you man! I think i have 15 or so guitars... i quit counting, i had over 30 but sold a bunch off on ebay over the last few months!. i love having a variety of pick ups and guitars. I had stated in another thread that i *mainly use the PAF in the bridge.. i do, but have actually been diversifying a bit more. i do/did favor the EMG 81's but not so much any more. i still keep it in my 86 ESP Lynch prototype and i still have the original Lynch p/up in the box with the multitudes of p/up's. I even have an old X2N from its first production years. i havent decided to use it yet.

I cant wait for the SS to come out either. I have never gotten to play on one of those before either..
You ever play on a super 3 ?? they are a little raw but for someone with lots of guitars it can be a great addition!!

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Hey Jimm... a question for you! (and everybody who knows the answer!) In which way does the resistance affect the pickup characteristics?
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