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post #1 of 17 (permalink) Old 01-20-2002, 11:39 PM Thread Starter
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Do I need a JS?

I've been trying to teach myself to do the harmonic whammy thing (like how Joe would hit a harmonic above the neck pickup and start pulling up the whammy with his left hand - real cool!)

It all seems so easy for him, while I'm having lots of trouble getting it to happen on my Jem7VWH. I wonder if it's my technique that su*ks, or I just have to get a JS to do the trick?

Heck! I honestly think it's my technique. Please enlighten me! :biggrin: *Either way, I've decided to get a JS, though!

-Bill

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post #2 of 17 (permalink) Old 01-21-2002, 02:17 AM
 
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its very much technique, i can do it with my strat and my RG7, go figure...

just try doing pinch harmonics on the G string, find out where the "hot spot" is for that particular harmonic node... depress the whammy bar, hit the harmonic, raise the whammy bar... there you go.
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post #3 of 17 (permalink) Old 01-21-2002, 04:05 AM
 
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Hey!

* *I too have been experimenting with the squeel for the past few months trying to get it down..... tonite someone lent me a VERRY hevy pick... 1.26 i belive, i usually play with a 70 or so.... well i really liked the pick but then in a pause in the music i reached for the bar to squeel and MAN.. the thing *came alive. it was SO much easier and sounded SO much better with a heave pick.....


just some tips.... also, at first try plucking the string and then setting off the harmonic with the pick, by touching it to the string.... it takes longer this way but it is good to teach you how much to raise the bar when so you can get that SQUEEL.... anyway later


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post #4 of 17 (permalink) Old 01-21-2002, 05:36 AM Thread Starter
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Many thanks for the tips. That should help! I'll try and use a heavier pick now.

-Bill
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post #5 of 17 (permalink) Old 01-21-2002, 10:44 AM
 
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Keep in mind that the harmonic you're most likely to get over the neck pickup on the JS is the same harmonic you'd get at the 24th fret on the Jem. If you're trying to get it over the neck pickup on the Jem, good luck!

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post #6 of 17 (permalink) Old 01-21-2002, 11:48 PM Thread Starter
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Righto! Thanks for sharing the trick. :-)

I have another question about the JS. Technically is there anything I can only do with a JS1000, but not a JEM?

-Bill
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post #7 of 17 (permalink) Old 01-22-2002, 12:06 AM
 
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coil tapping, different pickups, being frustrated over a lack of the upper 2 frets and enjoying the different neck and sexier body, but other than that, not much

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When Joe does that whammy trick, is he using his whammy pedal in conjunction?
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post #9 of 17 (permalink) Old 01-22-2002, 02:59 PM
 
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I thought maby he did, cuz it was so hard for me to get with medium gauge picks. but after watchign the live in san fran and G3 concerts, and being able to pull it off myselfe *roughly* im pretty sure that he can do it any way he wants. straight guitar, wah, whammy... all though ive only seen him do it with wah *i think* and straight.


anyway, i always get alot of extra noise from the strings hitting the pickups, has anyone here solved that problem yet?

and oh ya, the biggest difference you will notice, i think, would be the neck, fretts, and pickups.


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post #10 of 17 (permalink) Old 01-22-2002, 03:34 PM
 
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I 'used' to be able to nail this pretty well but my buddy Aaron Harris (go check him out www.aaronharris.net !), nails all the time.

It does help that you do it on a 21 fret guitar because the harmonic is right over the neck pickup and ironically you'll need to be on the bridge pickup full on. *It can work with 'most' guitar picks..but get one that is comfortable for you to 'pinch'. *

do your noodling...and while holding (or cradling) your whammy bar..pay attention!...pinch the harmonic on the high e above the bridge pickup (think the first row of pole pieces from the neck) and QUICKLY push down (not necessarily slacking the strings completely but you'll hear the 'audible hook' ala Satch) and then pull up to get your scream!

It helps if you also have a generous amount of gain going on (i can do it now even with a simple DS-1 on my clean channel).

It takes timing to get the hook just right. *but you'll hear where the harmonic just catches when you slack and then pull up....if you look at Joe do it...he's pretty effortless it at it and can do it on almost every string (that's how does the pitched screams to create an up down effect!).

This is off topic I know..but I learned a neat trick (thanks to Dicky Betts!) on a les paul...slam on the harmonic ala joe satch on above the bridge pickup and reach over with your picking hand to the headstock and push it lightly while holding on the body firmly but not tightly...it's a little balancing act yes..but you get a 'similar' effect but more of a nuance than the actual Satch whammy. it's nice!


Good Luck and practice your timing (and um, yeah...with the JS you'll nail it!!)

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post #11 of 17 (permalink) Old 01-22-2002, 04:03 PM
 
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everybody needs at least one js
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post #12 of 17 (permalink) Old 01-22-2002, 05:10 PM
 
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Yes, a JS should be required in life. *They are so beautiful. *I'm having trouble nailing harmonics on my JS 1000 right now, so what I do to supplement for my lack of technique is I depress the bar down with my left hand, and place my thumb over the 22nd fretwire, and hit those harmonics. *They sound flawless when you hit it. *Eventually I'll be able to just use my picking hand. *Someday.......somehow........
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post #13 of 17 (permalink) Old 01-22-2002, 06:24 PM
 
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Thats funny, the sales guy at onea the shops out here *the only carying js's* said that same exact thing to me when i picked up a JS for the first time about a year ago..... "Everbody needs atleast one Satriani. Ill wrap up two for you to go"


haha, if only he had pulled through.


JR
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post #14 of 17 (permalink) Old 04-24-2002, 02:50 PM
 
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well its poss on any guitar with a floyd rose but everythin seems easye on my js he he

i know this is a bit late

i love my js
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I 'used' to be able to nail this pretty well but my buddy Aaron Harris (go check him out www.aaronharris.net !), nails all the time.

It does help that you do it on a 21 fret guitar because the harmonic is right over the neck pickup and ironically you'll need to be on the bridge pickup full on. *It can work with 'most' guitar picks..but get one that is comfortable for you to 'pinch'. *

do your noodling...and while holding (or cradling) your whammy bar..pay attention!...pinch the harmonic on the high e above the bridge pickup (think the first row of pole pieces from the neck) and QUICKLY push down (not necessarily slacking the strings completely but you'll hear the 'audible hook' ala Satch) and then pull up to get your scream!

It helps if you also have a generous amount of gain going on (i can do it now even with a simple DS-1 on my clean channel).

It takes timing to get the hook just right. *but you'll hear where the harmonic just catches when you slack and then pull up....if you look at Joe do it...he's pretty effortless it at it and can do it on almost every string (that's how does the pitched screams to create an up down effect!).

This is off topic I know..but I learned a neat trick (thanks to Dicky Betts!) on a les paul...slam on the harmonic ala joe satch on above the bridge pickup and reach over with your picking hand to the headstock and push it lightly while holding on the body firmly but not tightly...it's a little balancing act yes..but you get a 'similar' effect but more of a nuance than the actual Satch whammy. it's nice!


Good Luck and practice your timing (and um, yeah...with the JS you'll nail it!!)

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The high e string is that great to do it on, because its pitch is affected least by the bar. *Use the b or the g! *but practice in anywhere!
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