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post #61 of 186 (permalink) Old 05-24-2003, 12:21 AM
 
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That guitar looks good.
It's probably different than paint, but it's still as much as an 'art' as a traditionally-painted body. I personally like it and who knows some people may like it better than the 'real' swirls.
I say continue developing this 'technique' as much as you can to perfection. If the one time capital cost really is only 4000$, you can make a good business out of doing this.
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Wow, thanks guys for the support. I will keep working on it.

It really is very cool in person. I could also sell the printed vinyl to people to do their own refinish job. Find or make a pic, I print it out in the template, send it to ya with how to guide. Easy as that.
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Not to sound like the heavy hand again but this is starting to read more like an advertisement than a check out what I did.
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Not to sound like the heavy hand again but this is starting to read more like an advertisement than a check out what I did.
Ok, Ooooo ahhh..Dont it look nice.
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I definately don't think it would be wise to sell for home installs though, if you remember the first time you worked a large piece of vinyl you'll know why. Expecting somebody to get decent results the first time they work it is pretty iffy, no matter how easy the directions read. Vinyl you learn by feeling it, and screwing up till you develop the feel especially if you're doing stretch and heat shrinks which I gotta figure you had to do on the JS. Took me 8 hours the first time I had to do a warranty vinyl wrap on the bumpers of a 97? Cougar SE's. 4 or 5 later I had it down to 4 hours. I made alot of ching doing those, I was the only guy in the area that would touch them so I hammered em' $350 a pop. And Mercury actually paid it [which means I probably should have charged more]
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I definately don't think it would be wise to sell for home installs though, if you remember the first time you worked a large piece of vinyl you'll know why. Expecting somebody to get decent results the first time they work it is pretty iffy, no matter how easy the directions read. Vinyl you learn by feeling it, and screwing up till you develop the feel especially if you're doing stretch and heat shrinks which I gotta figure you had to do on the JS. Took me 8 hours the first time I had to do a warranty vinyl wrap on the bumpers of a 97? Cougar SE's. 4 or 5 later I had it down to 4 hours. I made alot of ching doing those, I was the only guy in the area that would touch them so I hammered em' $350 a pop. And Mercury actually paid it [which means I probably should have charged more]
Well I was kinda joking. Working with a very large pice is nurve racking at times. Yes, you have to heat shrink on a JS, not the funnest thing in the world mind you. Getting any bubbles out is also as fun =p I didnt do the water slide trick, didnt want water on my bear wood. Would stink to sell for home use and someone go to apply and over lap the vinyl on its self then ask for a refund.
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Working with a very large pice is nurve racking at times. Yes, you have to heat shrink on a JS, not the funnest thing in the world mind you.
You should try an SE bumper sometime
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Working with a very large pice is nurve racking at times. Yes, you have to heat shrink on a JS, not the funnest thing in the world mind you.
You should try an SE bumper sometime
Now that I will pass on
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Curiosity got me, and I can't believe, they were 93's! Can't believe it was that long ago! They had a double 2" wide grooves across the whole front you had to wrap in and out of and still keep the top edge straight against a 5 line fade, working a 10" roll dry. The corners weren't much fun but when you finally got to the sides it was a breeze
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But- you're here among people who appreciate the work of ATD and the artists who did the original JS graphics. Why? Because each one is completely, 100% unique and has a certain ammount of blood, sweat and tears put into it. That in itself creates a product far more interesting than one that is created with a series of mouse clicks and the press of a "Print" button. The accuracy of whatever you can print off will not change that simple fact. Technology is still no subsitute for the purity of unique, man-made works of art.
I'm surprised at the negative reaction received by this guitar; I think everyone agrees that this is a cool new technique, but as to the distinction between art and fake...

...if the guitar looks cool, or evokes the right reaction from the viewer or player, why is that not art? Is it not possible to pour blood, sweat, and tears into a paint program? When the first guy to create a paintbrush came along, did all the troglodytes say "no, that's not art, 'cause you're not etching hieroglyphics the hard way, with flint and soapstone?" My history may be slightly inaccurate.

Also, hand craftmanship aside, I fail to see the greater artistic merit in the results of dunking in swirly paint vs. generating the swirl via some other means. Fractal-based designs are a form of mathematical art that you will never acheive by hand.

My 2c! (...edit: typos galore)
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Not to sound like the heavy hand but this is starting to read more like an
"how i did work on a cars bumper" than "hey look at this guitar"

i thought a couple of these guys were not very nice at all but you kept
your cool, which i respect more than 2 guys trolling on you

keep up the great work and please show off anything else you do...it will
be appreciated...atleast by some of us
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It was a small discussion on why the untrained should not try this at home.
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It was a small discussion on why the untrained should not try this at home.
Yes, I and Rich were pitching back and for about not selling just vinyl to people because it can be complex dealing with a large sticky, floppy, vinyl decal, which is something to think about. But if you really felt you wanted to give it a try.

But yes they were poking me I think it comes down to purest, or fear of change? I got the same response when I did the swirl tutorial, so I expected no less from this. The whole truth is I wanted something different and thatís what I did. I also like to share; I never plan to amass great wealth from anything I do. Would I do it to someoneís guitar? Sure once I have it down to a science, I would love to. I had a guitar shop today ask me to bring my work in because they need a refinisher that can do what I just did; they said people have asked for this type of work. So there is a market for it.

Letís talk about guitars!
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It was a small discussion on why the untrained should not try this at home.
yes i know what it was, i was just giving you a little bit of what you were
dishing out
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Also, hand craftmanship aside, I fail to see the greater artistic merit in the results of dunking in swirly paint vs. generating the swirl via some other means. Fractal-based designs are a form of mathematical art that you will never acheive by hand.
i second that.
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