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post #1 of 11 (permalink) Old 01-08-2001, 12:22 AM Thread Starter
 
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g string buzzing - it's not going away

After truss rod adjustments (each with action adjustments) I have deemed my Universe a lemon. There is a 'ringing' on the G string especially in 2-9 fret
range. Once you isolate that 'perfect' tone, you know you're going to sound that note and tsssssszzz, the note rings literally into my spine. I've tried very carefully tapping the frets long ago; nothing works. Even when
the action is set ridiculously high, this phenomenon does not resolve. A good test I use for just how horrible it can be is when I play the first 10 or so bars of the Willie the Pimp solo off Zappa's Hot Rat's album. The whammy is great, the inlays are great, it definitely looks beautiful and the setup possibilities are great but when I try to play it the g string zings. surely out of all the uv player out there some of you have seen this?
the best example of this zinging i can think of is on Vai's Flexable, 'Call It Sleep' - on clean tone portions you'll notice the ringing I'm experiencing. it seems helpless.
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post #2 of 11 (permalink) Old 01-08-2001, 12:27 AM
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Is the nut tight? You'll get some very strange ocsilations if it's just a little loose.
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post #3 of 11 (permalink) Old 01-08-2001, 12:59 AM
 
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which Universe?

If everything is tight from one end of the Guitar to the other, then how much bow is the neck set with?

How high are the pickups set?

Is there a factory shim under the top lock?

Let me know, *I would be glad to help any way I can. I have done a lot of set up on UV's, Jems and RG's.

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The nut's tight. The ringing occurs right around the
fretted note - difficult to trace but seems to
be within that fret or 1 fret up. Everything
seems tight. The neck bend is about *1 mm
off the top of 7th fret. This provides the necessary
meat from 5-12 frets and action from 12-24 -
my ear and attacks bring me around these settings.
The tonal possibilities are really nice but the ringing
on the g string is.. i had hope the truss rod would
eliminate it but that didn't work. i live in somewhat a
socially retarded area and 'techs' are a bit hard to find.
thanks for taking time to communicate !
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If you're followed all the setup steps you shouldn't have buzzing in the g-string only frets2-9, so lets try to rule out the "lemon" theory.

What i would do (assuming proper setup thus far) is first lower the pickups.

Next restring the guitar.

Next, shim only the G-string saddle, ensuring the saddle bolt is tight. Inspect for a bad saddle since that is the only point of contact other than the fret hand.

See if raising the G-string action would eliminate the buzz for test purposes, keeping action low elsewhere.

If that fixes the problem you're looking at a repair shop doing a once over ensuring the frets are level and not worn or improperly leveled/dressed
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post #6 of 11 (permalink) Old 01-09-2001, 12:34 AM
 
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change your G *There is a kink in it i presume
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post #7 of 11 (permalink) Old 01-10-2001, 12:34 AM Thread Starter
 
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ariomia, jemsite, moondance, and rich - i know
you're ultra busy so a deep thanks for approaching this.
just to note, max played perfectly for about 5 minutes
after being received and G ring started immediately
thereafter.

before going into shim/test mode, i opted to follow
last remaining path: secure G string saddle via
saddle lock down screw in position closest to pickups.
BOOM - buzz disappears *(all saddles but high E are in the 1st position.)
it's too soon to know if this is short term perfection; i exclusively use d'addario xl .23-1.07 mm.
is having to position saddle as i've done with a 0.41 mm
(0.016 '') uncommon?

aside from G string buzz, this guitar is a pure phantasm
and dream for me.
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It was probably just loose enough to cause this. I always expect to find the nut loose as the wood shrinks, but whenever you get those wierd harmonic overtones it can usually be tracked to on end or the other just loose enough to cause multiple vibrations. Don't sweat it, just play the sh!t out of it :biggrin:
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I've never had any problem with my UV's buzzing but my old guitar player had a Carvin neck through body that had incessant G string buzzing (kind of sounds like an adult movie title LOL)
He for some reason decided to put lithium grease on the saddles where the string goes over when he restrung it and guess what, no more buzz. *Nothing changed but the Lithium grease. *I can't explain it and I wouldn't even believe it except that I saw it so......
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tightening nuts...buzzing in your G-string...there's a joke there, somewhere...

either that or a country tune.
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post #11 of 11 (permalink) Old 01-12-2001, 09:10 PM Thread Starter
 
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for the record, there was no joke there, implicit or otherwise. i was aware of the potential misconnotations
but hey, right answers are relative. 'mistakes' can be cool and just observing how things spin off of something with many possibilities is Often cool as long as it doesn't kill your classic definition of power. i think
take out of it whatever you wish. in closing i would
like to say the tech section needs to grow. i really think
it is in a static brilliance right now and could be better.
brilliant, but could always be better. often when i see
a good thing i jump to polarize arguments and make it better. i'm finished with the topic
and will start a new one if necessary later.
as always, you were all great.
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