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post #1 of 14 (permalink) Old 08-31-2007, 04:54 PM Thread Starter
 
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Question Gearless Tuners question (help?)

Right,

i've read the posts i found but couldn't seem to find this out.

If i put Steinberger Gearless Tuners on my Ibanez, could it replace the locking nut? which would be better?

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post #2 of 14 (permalink) Old 08-31-2007, 05:14 PM
 
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Re: Gearless Tuners question (help?)

It will not replace the locking nut. Locking nuts and locking tuners do not accomplish the same thing
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Re: Gearless Tuners question (help?)

IIRC, Vai's tech installed these and he hated it so much he insisted they be removed.
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Re: Gearless Tuners question (help?)

so, what is the advantage of the locking tuners?
And are they pointless with a locking nut?
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so, what is the advantage of the locking tuners?
And are they pointless with a locking nut?
Locking tuners help tuning by eliminating string slippage. There's no wrap around necessary and the lock holds the end tight. This is pointless with a double locking system because the locking nut cuts the tuners out of the picture. The string can't slip past the locking nut so whether or not they slip at the tuners is irrelevant. The only advantage you would gain is quicker string changes
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IIRC, Vai's tech installed these and he hated it so much he insisted they be removed.
thats odd, for someone who hated them so much he used them for almost a year, and even on tour on flo for quite awhile. I think he stopped using them because they were impractical.
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thats odd, for someone who hated them so much he used them for almost a year, and even on tour on flo for quite awhile. I think he stopped using them because they were impractical.
Yeah, what exactly is the point of 40:1 ration tuners on a guitar with fine tuners? And I doubt setting up a locking trem with tuners that barely change the pitch is easy
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Re: Gearless Tuners question (help?)

I believe if you search for previous threads on this subject, of which there are quite a few, the general consensus is that they're more of a fashion statement on a guitar with a locking trem. Because as you've already noted, they don't provide any benefit on a double locking system.
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Re: Gearless Tuners question (help?)

Like has been said before, the only advantage of locking tuners in conjunction with a locking nut is quicker string changes. However, if you use locking tuners in conjunction with a roller nut then you don't have to mess with the locking nut, and it is relatively easy to set up a locking trem using the locking tuners even though they have the 40:1 ratio. I have numerous guitars that use the steinberger tuners in conjunction with a roller nut and a ZR trem. It is an awesome setup IMHO.
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Like has been said before, the only advantage of locking tuners in conjunction with a locking nut is quicker string changes. However, if you use locking tuners in conjunction with a roller nut then you don't have to mess with the locking nut, and it is relatively easy to set up a locking trem using the locking tuners even though they have the 40:1 ratio. I have numerous guitars that use the steinberger tuners in conjunction with a roller nut and a ZR trem. It is an awesome setup IMHO.
Funny you should mention that, I was considering using the Steinberger Locking tuners with an LSR roller nut and a Gotoh Wilkinson trem.
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Re: Gearless Tuners question (help?)

I'm not sure how well that would work. I don't believe that a wilkinson trem is a locking trem. If it isn't the strings would only be locked at one end so I'm not sure of the tuning stability. I do know that it works great with a locking trem though. Good luck, you will love the steinberger tuners if you have never used them before.
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Re: Gearless Tuners question (help?)

Personally I'd use locking tuners with absolutely any set up. Unless you're a great fan of pointless time wasting and aching wrists, Schallers and the like make the whole experience faster and less unpleasant.
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Re: Gearless Tuners question (help?)

Gearless tuners are great. the 40:1 ratio is not a mess at all, at the contrary, it's the perfect ratio. you must consider that the string doesn't wind around the peg, it just flips thru it, and the peg "drags" it down while you turn the gear. it takes about 2 turns to raise 1 step. also, they're as smooth as the amazing Grover Rotomatics, very sturdy and precise... Deutch style
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Re: Gearless Tuners question (help?)

I agree wholeheartedly!! The gearless tuners aren't necessary with a locking nut but they sure make changing strings painless. To me it is worth the extra money to save time and hassle. I think they look pretty cool too!!
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