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post #1 of 69 (permalink) Old 01-08-2004, 07:45 AM Thread Starter
 
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Japanese/US swirl?

Hi, greetings from England.

I've recently brought a UV77mc (with a fantastic swirl, in mint condition for a fantastic price.....sorry still excited!! )

The predominant colours in my swirl are yellow, bright green, red. Is it the colour scheme that defines where the guitar was finished?

Just to pass comment, it takes a bit of getting used to - having the extra string. I feel like I'm having to reprogramme my hands (Especially for thrash antcis!)

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post #2 of 69 (permalink) Old 01-08-2004, 08:05 AM Thread Starter
 
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Pics of my universe

I've just found that webshots place, so I've put some pics on if it helps determine anything...

http://community.webshots.com/album/109842241UpVDbX
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That looks like a Japanese one, which they nickname MKR which stands for "mustard-ketchup-relish" *LOL* The finish on the Japanese ones tends to be more 'streaky' than the more swirly (and more neon-looking) American ones.
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That's a Japanese swirl. The Japanese swirls often tend to be less tight (for lack of a better term) and the colors more muted than the ATD swirls. Check out the gallery page on Rich Harris' Ibanezrules.com site for some examples of each: http://www.ibanezrules.com/gallery.htm
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I believe Petie is right about it being a MKR. It just isn't as "loud" as the ATD swirls. Still it's a nice looking guitar!!

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hey, where abouts in kent are you? how much did the uni cost as well, and where did you get the MC from?
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Congratulations, that's a beautiful guitar! It's very hippy 60's looking, I think. An Austin Powers swirl

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If you want to be sure, just check the neck pocket. ATD has a stamp in the pocket of all the guitars he swirls.

Either way it's gorgeous.

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What a fantastic response! Thanks chaps! I like the Mustard-Ketchup-Relish tag

I checked out the [email protected] rules - There are some fantastic examples there. There's a definate difference between the ATD & Japanese swirls. The ATDs seem to have a more aggresive pattern, whereas the Japanese (as Petie mentioned), have a more streaky effect. There all mad and I love 'em!

The MC universe that I own is the first that I'd ever physically seen with my own eyes! I don't know how many were originally shipped to the UK......they're rare as rocking horse poo in these parts me heartys!
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congrats on the guitar!!
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So does anyone who picked up on this thread have an MC universe? Do you have an ATD or Japanese? Was it easy to come by in your corner of the earth? Had you seen many before you got it?
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I have two ATD UVMCs. Bought both from our friend, Mr. Harris. You can see them here and here.

Before I bought the first one, I had seen exactly one in person, at Guitar Center in LA. It was a used Japanese swirl, beaten to hell. I've seen one other in a store since, at 30th Street Guitars in Manhattan, also a Japanese swirl.

I have no idea how the myth got started, but there are many people around here who believe that there are only 60 or so Japanese swirls out there. From what I've seen on eBay, elsewhere on the web, the two in stores, and just trolling around here over the years, I have a pretty strong feeling there are far more Japanese swirls than ATDs. This has been debated to death on this forum before, so I won't say anything more about it here. You can do a quick search to find out more.

Japanese swirls seem far easier to come by than ATDs. UVMCs in general are fairly easy to come by, but the market seems to go through cycles. Sometimes you see a bunch at once (I remember once there were three or four on eBay at once) and sometimes there won't be any for a month or two.
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Japanese swirls seem far easier to come by than ATDs. UVMCs in general are fairly easy to come by, but the market seems to go through cycles. Sometimes you see a bunch at once (I remember once there were three or four on eBay at once) and sometimes there won't be any for a month or two.

Maybe because people tend to hang onto the ATD's longer/forever ? I've seen some awesome MKR's,But Most ATD's are sweet ... Of course there is the odd dog thrown in the mix every once in awhile

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I have no idea how the myth got started, but there are many people around here who believe that there are only 60 or so Japanese swirls out there. From what I've seen on eBay, elsewhere on the web, the two in stores, and just trolling around here over the years, I have a pretty strong feeling there are far more Japanese swirls than ATDs. This has been debated to death on this forum before, so I won't say anything more about it here. You can do a quick search to find out more.

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Unfrortunately there's a blurb from Darren right here in Jemsite that says so, and if it's on Jemsite it must be true right? Kinda like the blurb on vai.com about the Floral Patterns being airbrushed and only the early ones are real fabric.
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LOL. I think darren has a bit of credability on this, even if his numbers are off 5x do the math. but the real reason you see more MKRs is each one has been sold 4-5 times since they're undesirable. Nevermind you don't know what shipped overseas and often you're just seeing USA sales. Many USA customers might have purchased closeouts late in the game (MKR leftovers from hosh una or chesbro) sold thru Sam Ash or AMS music (popular stores at the time)... glen
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