JS 1000 or JS 1200 for beginner - Jemsite
Ibanez JEM, UV, JS & Other Signature Models For discussion of Ibanez JEM, Universe and JS (Satriani) guitars only.

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
post #1 of 74 (permalink) Old 12-22-2007, 08:33 AM Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: UK
Posts: 12
JS 1000 or JS 1200 for beginner

Hello All,

Are either of these guitars suitable for a beginner?

One of the reasons I am looking at either is that that have quite thin necks.

I already have a Gibson Studio, but the neck is too thick and the guitar is way too heavy

Last edited by piccyman; 12-22-2007 at 08:53 AM.
piccyman is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 74 (permalink) Old 12-22-2007, 09:02 AM
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Teesside UK
Posts: 973
Reviews: 10
Re: JS 1000 or JS 1200 for beginner

apparantly JS guitars necks are thicker than Jems and 550's 20ths. I was asking a similar question not long ago as I really want to get a JS1200.

One day i'll get one but what with xmas, and old xbox breaking and now washing machine is on its last legs the JS keeps getting put back, ah one day

And as a beginner then yeah why not start on a great guitar, saves upgrading at a later date
richard1973 is offline  
post #3 of 74 (permalink) Old 12-22-2007, 09:08 AM
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: The Netherlands
Posts: 570
Re: JS 1000 or JS 1200 for beginner

Thin necks are bad for beginners. Thick necks are good.
The thumb needs to be BEHIND the neck people, not wrapped around it!
That's also why many guitar teachers want their students to start out on classical nylon string guitars. You HAVE to have a good technique there, with the thumb behind the neck. That's the whole point (I learnt on a nylon string myself, and an Epiphone Les Paul was my first electric guitar. Still have it, still play it a lot, great guitar, superfast neck, mega tone).

Learning it the right way makes you a better player in the end. Neck thickness won't matter much after that... And you can still get an Ibanez and shred the heck out of it later
Heck, you could go for a 7-string
Scali is offline  
post #4 of 74 (permalink) Old 12-22-2007, 09:11 AM
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Rugby, UK
Posts: 2,361
Re: JS 1000 or JS 1200 for beginner

You can't go wrong with a JS - but I would suggest trying one first just to check
markg5150 is offline  
post #5 of 74 (permalink) Old 12-22-2007, 09:33 AM Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: UK
Posts: 12
Re: JS 1000 or JS 1200 for beginner

I have had the Les Paul for 10 years, the problem I have is when playing bar chords my thumb will not be on the back of the neck, this means that i have to rotate my wrist forward so that the index finger reaches the top e string, this then makes my hand a wrist hurt.



Quote:
Originally Posted by Scali View Post
Thin necks are bad for beginners. Thick necks are good.
The thumb needs to be BEHIND the neck people, not wrapped around it!
That's also why many guitar teachers want their students to start out on classical nylon string guitars. You HAVE to have a good technique there, with the thumb behind the neck. That's the whole point (I learnt on a nylon string myself, and an Epiphone Les Paul was my first electric guitar. Still have it, still play it a lot, great guitar, superfast neck, mega tone).

Learning it the right way makes you a better player in the end. Neck thickness won't matter much after that... And you can still get an Ibanez and shred the heck out of it later
Heck, you could go for a 7-string
piccyman is offline  
post #6 of 74 (permalink) Old 12-22-2007, 09:38 AM
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Northern Illinois
Posts: 149
Re: JS 1000 or JS 1200 for beginner

There are alot of decent guitars out there for the beginner, (just about any but the lowest RG series guitars for example) and the JS would IMO be much better than decent. I've been teaching guitar for nearly 20 years and I would disagree with the fat neck statement above. Good technique is a matter of discipline and not the instrument somehow dictating your hand position based on the size of the neck. If anything, a fat neck will hinder a students reach as compared to a thin neck...and in some cases even be frustrating for the student if they have very small hands. Nylon string guitars are IMO preferred more for their relative ease for fretting notes and being softer on the fingertips than steel stringed instruments. In the end, if the student doesn't have the discipline to properly position the hand, and the instructor doesn't care enough to correct it, it won't matter what size the neck is.
jemjem is offline  
post #7 of 74 (permalink) Old 12-22-2007, 09:45 AM Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: UK
Posts: 12
Re: JS 1000 or JS 1200 for beginner

I am not really worried about the cost, i just prefer to buy very good quality.

So I guess either JS would be ok


Quote:
Originally Posted by jemjem View Post
There are alot of decent guitars out there for the beginner, (just about any but the lowest RG series guitars for example) and the JS would IMO be much better than decent. I've been teaching guitar for nearly 20 years and I would disagree with the fat neck statement above. Good technique is a matter of discipline and not the instrument somehow dictating your hand position based on the size of the neck. If anything, a fat neck will hinder a students reach as compared to a thin neck...and in some cases even be frustrating for the student if they have very small hands. Nylon string guitars are IMO preferred more for their relative ease for fretting notes and being softer on the fingertips than steel stringed instruments. In the end, if the student doesn't have the discipline to properly position the hand, and the instructor doesn't care enough to correct it, it won't matter what size the neck is.
piccyman is offline  
post #8 of 74 (permalink) Old 12-22-2007, 09:47 AM
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: The Netherlands
Posts: 570
Re: JS 1000 or JS 1200 for beginner

Quote:
Originally Posted by piccyman View Post
I have had the Les Paul for 10 years, the problem I have is when playing bar chords my thumb will not be on the back of the neck, this means that i have to rotate my wrist forward so that the index finger reaches the top e string, this then makes my hand a wrist hurt.
This is YOUR problem, not the guitar's problem.
You are making your wrist hurt by playing in the wrong position. Millions of players play Les Pauls every day. Even women, with small hands, and they too can do bar chords. A lot of them even play nylon string classicals.
In fact, one of the best classical virtuosos of our time is a Chinese woman by the name of Li Jie. Talk about small hands! Does it limit her ability to play? Heck no, she has technique. Look her up on Youtube, you won't be disappointed.

I don't agree with jemjem. If the student cannot bring up the discipline by himself, then he needs to be forced into proper technique by playing guitars that won't allow any other way. This makes it easy for the teacher too. He can just say "See, you're doing it wrong, this hurts. If you do it right, it won't hurt".
Lesson #1: Point the neck upwards, put the wrist under the neck, and the thumb behind the neck. That's the way to play bar chords, do any amount of stretching etc. People have been playing like this for decades. They have their reasons.
In fact, I know of teachers who tell their students to first practice without using the thumb whatsoever. Just make the bar chord from the wrist.
Scali is offline  
post #9 of 74 (permalink) Old 12-22-2007, 09:56 AM
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Teesside UK
Posts: 973
Reviews: 10
Re: JS 1000 or JS 1200 for beginner

piccyman which site are you thinking of buying from (if it is internet your buying from). There's two websites I found last night based in UK doing it for £1049 and one is reputable for certain as I bought my Jem from there. Theres a bunch of other sites selling for over £1200.

Just letting you know of the deals out there in case your mouse is hovering over a buy button on a website selling for £1300

2 months ago i found a site doing it for £950-£999, cant find that site anywhere now, i lost all my favorites in IE when my profile screwed up
richard1973 is offline  
post #10 of 74 (permalink) Old 12-22-2007, 01:02 PM
 
Dino's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Arizona
Posts: 1,774
Re: JS 1000 or JS 1200 for beginner

1000 BTB!
Dino is offline  
post #11 of 74 (permalink) Old 12-22-2007, 01:12 PM
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: US - MD
Posts: 1,762
Re: JS 1000 or JS 1200 for beginner

These guitars are horrible for beginners.

I will help you out though....Buy it, Send it to me and I'll keep it safe for you...until your ready for it.
S-man is offline  
post #12 of 74 (permalink) Old 12-22-2007, 03:08 PM Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: UK
Posts: 12
Re: JS 1000 or JS 1200 for beginner

Thanks everyone, I am now on the lookout for a good price for the JS1200
piccyman is offline  
post #13 of 74 (permalink) Old 12-22-2007, 03:16 PM
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Brexit
Posts: 670
Re: JS 1000 or JS 1200 for beginner

Yep, the JS1000 or 1200 is a fantastic guitar, and wont hinder the development of a beginner (I wish I started out on one, not a crud Argos special 18 years ago!). Gak were selling the 1200 for £999 inc delivery, I expect the price to return in the new year as some kind of sale price.
chris101 is offline  
post #14 of 74 (permalink) Old 12-22-2007, 03:36 PM
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Teesside UK
Posts: 973
Reviews: 10
Re: JS 1000 or JS 1200 for beginner

Just checked GAK and its £1049, i'd still prefer Playrecord.net they also use msn so you can check progress straight away and ask questions there and then, i did that when getting my Jem, was handy to have them on msn.
richard1973 is offline  
post #15 of 74 (permalink) Old 12-22-2007, 03:56 PM Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: UK
Posts: 12
Re: JS 1000 or JS 1200 for beginner

why is the JS 1000 more than the JS 1200
piccyman is offline  
Reply

Tags
bridge pickup , eddie van halen , electric guitar , epi les paul , epiphone les paul , fixed bridge , fixed bridge model , fixed bridge models , floating tremolo , floating trems , floyd rose , guitar tech , ibanez guitars , ibanez rgt , joe satriani , john mclaughlin , john petrucci , les paul , les pauls , local music shop , neck bolts , neck pickup , paf joe , paf pro , picking technique , playing guitar , randy rhoads , steve vai , string guage , string guitars , string tension , trem guitar , van halen , yngwie malmsteen

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the Jemsite forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address

IMPORTANT: You will be required to activate your account so please ensure that your email address is correct.

If you do not receive your activation check your spam folder before using the CONTACT US form (at the bottom right of each page).



Email Address:
OR

Log-in











Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Linear Mode



Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
JS 100, 1000, 1200 body dimensions... ged68 Ibanez JEM, UV, JS & Other Signature Models 1 02-26-2006 08:29 PM
JS 1000 ... is it changeg during years ? Lucky Angus Ibanez JEM, UV, JS & Other Signature Models 18 07-01-2005 01:16 AM
JS 1 vs. JS 1000 - What's the dif? JS Clone 2 Ibanez JEM, UV, JS & Other Signature Models 33 04-27-2004 02:50 PM
HELP!! js 1000 brand new bought..but then i held a jem!! wideopen98 Ibanez JEM, UV, JS & Other Signature Models 10 02-27-2004 11:47 PM
JS PU change sugguestions? - im thinking about changing out SuperUnderwhereMan Ibanez JEM, UV, JS & Other Signature Models 23 01-30-2002 08:15 PM

Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome