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post #1 of 34 (permalink) Old 05-15-2003, 05:36 AM Thread Starter
 
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Jem frets

Looking at the new Ibanez catalog I realized there are 2 main different kind of frets for Jems: Jumbos and W/6105. I was wondering what's the exact physical difference between them and how fretboards equipped with them feel.

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great question....

I want to re-fret my old jem 777vbk, and I was thinking the exact same thing.
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Hi, Here are the physical differences between the Jem frets

The 3 different sizes of fretwire on JEM's are generally 6105, 6100 (Jumbo) and 6140 (seen on the UV's, the JEM777VDY, and the BFP)

This is the size from the fretboard, height, and width

6100 .110 wide .055 tall

6105 .090 wide .055 tall

6140 .106 wide .039 tall

Some Jems have what is called SBB216-195 fretwire, it is also what is used on the RG series, best I have come up with, is it's specs are the same as the 6100, possibly the 6000 which is just a touch bigger than the 6100.


The common ones are 6100 and 6105. The 6100 is common I think on all of the old neck joint jems (excluding those listed above)
http://www.jemsite.com/axes/htm_features/spec.htm
that page will tell you what number was on what guitar.


Anyway, the long and short of it is, the 6105 will be a smoother feeling fret as it is narrower, and the crown will be more exaggerated than the 6100. But, the downside is, they will wear faster since they are narrower and have a sharper peak. The are the same height though, so overall general feel shouldn't change much. I personally prefer the 6105's, but when I do scallops on a neck with 6105's, I leave the seat wide enough to accept a wider fret at a later date if so desired, because the 6105 will wear slightly quicker.

So, personally, I would say the fretboards feel pretty much the same, but the 6105's might be a little smoother for a while, though, I don't notice much of a difference between say my VWH and my SK, the UV's on the other hand feel much different as their frets are nowhere near as tall as the others

Hope that helps

Jeremy
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Based on eye measurements I'd say that the SBB216-195 is about the same width as the 6100 but its height is somewhere between the 6140 and 6100.

My eyes are however not extreamly reliable. They do however both smell identical.
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Anyone knows anything about some frets called Dunlop 6230?

Some weeks ago I tried an old Frank Gambale Model with these frets on a Wizard neck and it felt faster than any Jem I've ever played. I was pretty amazed because it wasn't my first time playing a Wizard but something just felt different. I did some research afterwards and found out that the only special thing about the fretboard were these Dunlop frets I never heard about before. So I guess they were probably making the difference.

Anyone knows if they have anything special at all or if they still make them? Maybe I was just on one of those good days...

THX again.
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can any old frets be manipulate to fit in any old guitar?

i bet not, but i have to ask to be sure.
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Re: Jem frets

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http://www.jemsite.com/axes/htm_features/spec.htm
that page will tell you what number was on what guitar.



Jeremy
Sorry for the bump, but the link above is not working for me.

How can I find out what fret wire was originally used on a 77fp?

Thanks
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Sorry for the bump, but the link above is not working for me.

How can I find out what fret wire was originally used on a 77fp?

Thanks
Dunlop 6100
Search on the catalog of the year that correlates with the serial number of your guitar
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Dunlop 6100
Search on the catalog of the year that correlates with the serial number of your guitar
Thanks!

I just checked the catalogue on Rich's website, but found no mention of fret wire. Am I looking in the wrong place?
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Hi, Here are the physical differences between the Jem frets

The 3 different sizes of fretwire on JEM's are generally 6105, 6100 (Jumbo) and 6140 (seen on the UV's, the JEM777VDY, and the BFP)

This is the size from the fretboard, height, and width

6100 .110 wide .055 tall

6105 .090 wide .055 tall

6140 .106 wide .039 tall

Some Jems have what is called SBB216-195 fretwire, it is also what is used on the RG series, best I have come up with, is it's specs are the same as the 6100, possibly the 6000 which is just a touch bigger than the 6100.


The common ones are 6100 and 6105. The 6100 is common I think on all of the old neck joint jems (excluding those listed above)
http://www.jemsite.com/axes/htm_features/spec.htm
that page will tell you what number was on what guitar.


Anyway, the long and short of it is, the 6105 will be a smoother feeling fret as it is narrower, and the crown will be more exaggerated than the 6100. But, the downside is, they will wear faster since they are narrower and have a sharper peak. The are the same height though, so overall general feel shouldn't change much. I personally prefer the 6105's, but when I do scallops on a neck with 6105's, I leave the seat wide enough to accept a wider fret at a later date if so desired, because the 6105 will wear slightly quicker.

So, personally, I would say the fretboards feel pretty much the same, but the 6105's might be a little smoother for a while, though, I don't notice much of a difference between say my VWH and my SK, the UV's on the other hand feel much different as their frets are nowhere near as tall as the others

Hope that helps

Jeremy
This is actually Dunlop fret wire info. The 6105 fret wire used by Ibanez is made by Warmoth. Their spec is 95x47.
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Re: Jem frets

It seems that they started to clarify that on the catalogs since '93:

http://www.ibanezrules.com/catalogs/...3/jem_uv_2.jpg

In 1987-1988 they also mentioned using Dunlop 6100 fretwire on the flyers for the 777LG/SK and 7RB
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This is actually Dunlop fret wire info. The 6105 fret wire used by Ibanez is made by Warmoth. Their spec is 95x47.
Which is Jescar wire.

https://www.jescar.com/fret-wire-specifications/

The Ibanez "6105" is Jescar FW47095. Some models will directly list Jescar wire. This JC lists Jescar 57110, which is "jumbo"

http://www.ibanez.co.jp/jcustom/2015/JCRG1501.html

This gives a hint that the suffix in SBB216-195 indicates the hardness measurement of the wire.

http://www.ibanez.co.jp/jcustom/2016/JCRG1601.html
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Other use Jim Dunlop 6105: http://www.ibanez.co.jp/jcustom/2011/JCRG11M-MBK.html
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Absolutely. The OP inquired about "W/6105" specifically, hence my indication of it being Warmoth.
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Absolutely. The OP inquired about "W/6105" specifically, hence my indication of it being Warmoth.
Warmoth makes wood parts. They source fret wire from other manufacturers, in this case Jescar.

As has been pointed out, some Ibanez wire is listed as coming from Dunlop.
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