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post #1 of 44 (permalink) Old 05-10-2017, 04:17 PM Thread Starter
 
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The Jem Jr is an RG450 in disguise

They have exactly the same specs and hardware. Almost, as if Ibanez was just lazy and simply made a bunch of holes on the body of an RG450, stuck a tree inlay and called it a Jem. Those are the only differences, yet the Jem Jr costs $100 more than the RG450.

IMO buying a Jem Jr is a bad financial decision. You are basically paying $100 more for the inlay, monkey grip and the Lion's claw. Those $100 could've been used towards a better amp.

Lion's claw: Its pointless on the low quality tremolo found in Jem Jr and RG450
Monkey Grip:
A nice bonus, nice to have, but nothing you cannot do without. No effect on tone.
Tree of Life:
It's made of plastic on the Jr. Its nice to look at, but nothing you cannot do without.

Not only that, the Jem Jr is a whiter color than the Jem, why? Because they didn't even bother to change the paint. It has the same paint as the RG450.

The simple fact that you are buying a Jem Jr proves that you don't have much funds, so why waste $100 more on looks and the Jem name, when the RG450 will perform exactly the same?

The tree of life and monkey grip are nice things to have and look at, but they won't make you a better player or give you a better tone. Since, all you can afford is a $500 guitar, you have to PRIORITIZE, and make your money work for you. Squeeze every single dollar out of that budget to get the best tone possible for the least amount of money.
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Re: The Jem Jr is an RG450 in disguise

Lion's claw is 100% cosmetic on any JEM, regardless of price. Same with Monkey Grip and Tree of Life. In this case the 20% cosmetic upcharge is actually not a bad value comparison to MIJ JEM vs RG.
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Re: The Jem Jr is an RG450 in disguise

The extra "features" are dirt cheap in relativity. And people mostly buy current Jr's to modify because now they have the full vine.
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Lion's claw is 100% cosmetic on any JEM, regardless of price. Same with Monkey Grip and Tree of Life. In this case the 20% cosmetic upcharge is actually not a bad value comparison to MIJ JEM vs RG.
Steve says that the Lion's claw allows him to do crazier things with whammy bar
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Re: The Jem Jr is an RG450 in disguise

The claw always allowed for greater pullup range with the OE. The LP and subsequent trems it really makes no difference.
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The extra "features" are dirt cheap in relativity. And people mostly buy current Jr's to modify because now they have the full vine.
Is it really worth it to modify one, though?

Guitar $500
Original floyd rose $230
Tuners machine $60-80
Pickups $150-200 maybe with pickups upgrade you want to upgrade pots and switch? $30 aprox.
Total guitar + upgrades= around $1050 and this is without the cost of installation.

You want a luthier to do these installs for you and that would cost hundreds of dollars more.

You still need do a fretwork to make that guitar play-ability good and comparable to 1000ish USD, and how about fretboard radius ?

I wonder if this guitar deserve this investment? or get a new RG prestige for $1.200.- with good trem, good pickups, good neck, good case and good everything from the start?

A good tremolo system is expensive: Original Floyd Rose $200-$250 (according to color) Ibanez Edge Original $360.-
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Re: The Jem Jr is an RG450 in disguise

The claw did nothing on the Ibanez JEMs in regard to trem float or pull up. You can simply compare to the RG550 originals (lacking the claw).

It was 100% cosmetic and based on Vai's crude routing out the ORFs of his Charvel, etc. with a chisel back in the day where the routing was not recessed.
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Re: The Jem Jr is an RG450 in disguise

The extended string lock screws of the OE contact faster on a 550 than on a JEM, they still do. On a JEM the limiting factor is the fine tuner spring plate or arm holder hitting in the rout.

Putting new tuners on a double locker is throwing money away. Nobody needs a tech to swap trem unless you have no handy skills at all, in which case you probably don't buy guitars solely to modify them. The trem price is List, nobody pays List. And modifications can be done over months or years as a budget allows.
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Re: The Jem Jr is an RG450 in disguise

Agree, the lock screws are excessively long but pull-up as intended is not enhanced by the Lions Claw. With 042-009 this means open G pull-up to C.
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I'm not going to argue, it does, the end.

Of course no 2 guitars were the same, the tolerances varied quite a bit, and you never knew how much neck shim a guitar had, if it had at all. Without one you had crap for range anyway.
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Re: The Jem Jr is an RG450 in disguise

Setup cannot be ignored. Simpler analogy.... assuming proper setup of two axes with the original Edge... the JS with no lions claw pulls up the same as the JEM.

The bottom line is the lions claw was a visual for the 777 like the pyramids and monkey grip.
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Re: The Jem Jr is an RG450 in disguise

It's not an extra whole step, but you do get a small increase in range. YMMV [as do all the older guitars].

You cannot assume proper setup because you cannot determine how much neck angle one has or does not to the other. If you set them up so they have the same pullup range, and that you consider a proper setup, then of course they'll have the same pullup range.
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so you're going to ignore setup.... but declare the JEM has a semitone-ish increase in pull up. '

OK whatever.
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Re: The Jem Jr is an RG450 in disguise

Please point out where I'm ignoring anything.

Or, please don't, I have things to do.
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So, I literally was in my local GC a few hours ago, and they have a JEM Jr used for $399.99...I was thinking of seeing if they would come down a bit on price.

If I can get it for 350.00 it'll be a good throw around guitar...It definitely didn't have that JEM sound (but I figure I'll swap out the pups), and the neck felt a bit bigger, is that about the only differences?

I mean I know Indonesia and all, but it's essentially an RG dressed up for Halloween, right?
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