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post #1 of 22 (permalink) Old 08-03-2002, 01:56 PM Thread Starter
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Jem neck profiles... what's the deal?

What's the deal with these Jem necks? Just about every model has a different profile. Why is that? Is it to appeal to a wider audience or because Vai wants it that way. Does anyone know the real reason? I've gotten so used to the thinner neck on my 90th, that my other Jems feel like baseball bats. I get this weird hand cramping whenever I switch guitars. This really aggravates me, to the point where I'm considering selling most of my guitars. I'd like some consistency when changing axes, and I don't want two or more of the same exact guitar. You can obtain a similar feel with Gibson, PRS, Fender, Jackson, etc... and with color choices. Who knows, maybe I need to pick up a DBK or something.

Sorry about the long rant, but has anyone out there experienced this? Or feel the same as I do?
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post #2 of 22 (permalink) Old 08-03-2002, 02:50 PM
 
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the JEM line has evolved as Steve has. Some of us might say that it would be very dissapointing if the JEM had not evolved over the 15 years of production. As Steve's tastes have changed, so has his guitar.
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You're not wrong, that's for sure. If I am not mistaken, the Jem HAM 90th is not a Jem neck anyhow.

I've owned several Jems and the only necks that seemed to be close in profiles were the DBK and the VWH, both of which were very thin (with exception to the VDY - which is a Wizard) The FP, DY and even the BSB that I've owned all had baseball bat sized necks (still small, but not in comparison to the VWH.)

According to the neck spec charts here on Jemsite, between 1993 and 1997, the width at the last fret is 56mm vs. 57mm, respectively.

I think that the profile has evolved with Vai's preference. I may be wrong.
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I understand that Vai's preferences may have changed, but to me, there is a huge difference between these necks. It's not so much as the width at the nut, it's the overall thickness that bothers me. Maybe it's the actual shape of the backside, C D or U. I may be getting "profile" confused with shape. Both my DNA and 90 HAM are thin necks as with a DBK. My VWH feels a lot thicker than the three of those. My DY is a 1987 and is even thicker than all the previously mentioned guitars, which I knew when I bought it. ( I only bought the DY because I wanted to try a maple necked Jem.) My UV77MC is a completely different animal, so it's not being considered in this comparision.
As far as the Jems are concerned, I'm getting fed up with this particular inconsistency. These guitars cost a lot of money, as most of us already know. But, I can go and buy a bunch of RG570's for $600 each and have a consistent feel. Of course, I'll lose the quality, sound, and features of the Jems. I'm just confused and extremely aggravated.
I do however, like the difference in tonal quality between these particular guitars. The PAF's in the DY sound great, as well as the Breeds in my DNA. My favs are the Evo's in the 90th and VWH, along with the ebony fretboards.
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We made this very observation at Jemfest '99. Me, Kirk, Kev, Gabe, Ken, Loic all hanging around in the room comparing the differences between my DY, Kirk's VWH(? Christ I can't remember which guitar Kirk had at the time, he's only got a different one every other month), Gabe's 10th, and the GMC Kev stole from some guitar store. No two were the same, although I recall the vine neck on the Eve (Kev's former FP) and the GMC feeling very similar (VERY baseball bat like) compared to the almost Wizard feel of the 10th, and the completely different feel of the original JEM neck on my DY.

In short, there is no JEM profile. LOL
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(? Christ I can't remember which guitar Kirk had at the time, he's only got a different one every other month)
Past tense. With the exception of some new additions, I have had the same guitars for about a year now.

BTW, at that time, I had the FP, VWH, LNG, and the Green RG550 that I "Jemified."

Anyhow I have to agree that there doesn't seem to be a consistant shape to the necks.
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I have a Root Beer Jem that I just LOVE, but it too is a baseball bat
compaired to the 7DBK that I want to get. My UV777BK is nice. It's wider
(obviously) but still has that thin wizard like neck that I prefer.

Boy, you guys who can't handle the different profiles must not play JS
guitars at all! LOL
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I like the change every now and then so I enjoy the different necks. However, I would like to see Ibanez make the differences more obvious in their catalogs. I would call the 7V necks "JEM2" and the DBK necks "JEM3". At least there are more differences among the JEMs these days other than cosmetics.

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I like the change every now and then so I enjoy the different necks. However, I would like to see Ibanez make the differences more obvious in their catalogs. I would call the 7V necks "JEM2" and the DBK necks "JEM3. At least there are more differences amontg the JEMs these days other than cosmetics.

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Agreed on all counts.
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so would you guys care to give us who donīt have a JEM (or canīt try them out anywhere without buying one) an idea of what the profiles are like? Are there any guitars that have a similar profile to any of the different JEM necks?
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The neck on the DBK's and DNA's are similar to Super Wizard necks. They are rather flat on the back and thin. I've found them to be very stable due in part from the bubinga stripe on the back. My DBK's and DNA don't feel unfinished but they have an oil-like finish and it isn't as thick-finished as the VWH or VSBL. The necks on the DBKs are similar to those found on the RG-570. It is also unscalloped.

The VSBL and VWH have a rounder C-shape to me. They aren't is thin as the DBK's and DNA's but are smaller than the more D-shaped profile of the older 77 and 777-series Jems. They have a saitin finish to them and no bubinga stripe. the finish's thickness seems to me that it's just a smidge thicker than that applied to the DBK and DNA necks. The older Jem necks seemed to have an oil finish that felt almost like no finish at all.

Both neck styles have a very high radius (towards the flatter side) for their fretboards which tends to be very easy to get around on.

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In an effort to alleviate the hand cramping, I've been playing my 7VWH more and the 90th less. This is kinda strange, I only feel the pain when switching from the thinner neck to the thicker. And not the other way around. So, tonight I'll be taking both the VWH and DY to practice. The difference in those necks does'nt bother me at all. I had a similar problem when I first got the VWH, and switched to my acoustic. But that problem has gone away, probably because I'm used to it now. So, maybe that's the answer, play more often and just get accustomed to the changes.
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Can anyone tell me how the neck of a RGT-3120 compares to the Jem's?
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Can anyone tell me how the neck of a RGT-3120 compares to the Jem's?
much much thicker.
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