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post #1 of 16 (permalink) Old 04-17-2002, 09:29 AM Thread Starter
 
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Jem tone is all about pyrotechnics - Boy, this pissed me off

I read this recently in a guitar forum which will remain nameless. The discussion involved a Jem owner/player who was exploring adding a new guitar (non-Ibanez) to his collection because he was looking to expand his tonal options. The main complaint from the Jem musician was that although the tone from this other guitar was what he was looking for he was not
comfortable playing the typically thick necks of these guitars as compared to the Jem necks which he
loves. Below is a comment which really tweaked me. :angry:

"You may be looking for things that are mutually exclusive. A shredder Ibanez is all about speed and fretboard
*pyrotechnics. The tone comes from processors, the signal chain, and perhaps overdriven tube overtones. A ******** guitar
is partly about tone within the guitar. Part of this tone comes from a beefy mahogany neck. A blade-thin
*maple neck on a ****** might play like your Jems but it wouldn't sound or sustain like a typical
*********"

I'm in the process of formulation my response. Please feel free to add your comments so I can incorporate them. Thanks.




(Edited by elfstones at 9:30 am on April 17, 2002)
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hehe
what a loser.......
jem rules..
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I don't think he's that off base.

Those necks are fast and were made to be. *The bodies, except for the 7v, are basswood, which is very light. *That was no accident. *Vai wanted a light guitar that would he could have strapped on thru a long night of running around with DLR without hurting. *The pickups they put in there (evos, pafs and breeds) are designed with higher gain to compensate for the wood and the fact that the string doesn't go thru the body of the guitar.

I love my Jem anyway - it is what it is and there's every little I'd change about it. *Don't take it so personally!

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Jem tone is all about pyrotechnics

Yes, there are some valid comments but I can get a wide range of tones from my Jems w/ a simple direct connection to my practice amp. I'm not forced to construct some techno-frankenstein setup to get tone.
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Jem tone is all about pyrotechnics

I can see the guys point, its not unfounded...
but I still love the way Ibanez guitars feel and play.
I have a Gibson Melody maker which is ALL mahogony and a set neck, *and it is THICK as hell tonally speaking even though its' only 1-1.5" thick physically. the way the guitar is constructed really does affect its tonal characteristics and having a bridge that floats on two pegs and a blade edge probably isn't best for sustain and vibration, but they get around it pretty darn well... and I will not be giving up my Ibanez guitars anytime soon...
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Guitars are like paintbrushes. You use different ones for different purposes. Sometimes you want a fine sable brush, other times you want a wide, flat synthetic brush. Sometimes you want a power roller. Just appreciate them for their differences. The JEM is a really versatile instrument, but it can't do absolutely everything. Even Vai uses different guitars in the studio.

I think Kenny's right... the JEM really was designed first and foremost to be a performance machine. There's nothing wrong with wanting different guitars with different feel and tone. Personally, i'd rather have 4 different guitars in my arsenal than a dozen JEMs. Why have so many guitars that are the same?
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I think that if you just blast this guy for his opinion, you are only going to fuel is disdain for Ibanez guitars. *You can't change people's opinions by telling them that they're full of it. *Just as you would defend your position, he is defending his...(psssst...pot, this is kettle...hey man, you're black). *At the end of the day, who really gives a big damn. *He will play what he likes, and you will play what you like. *
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*At the end of the day, who really gives a big damn. *He will play what he likes, and you will play what you like. *
Well put. *And i will add the old adage "Opinions are like A*holes - everybody's got one and they all stink." *Now shut up and play yer guitar.

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TONE IS IN YOUR HEAD!!!
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Yeah, maybe it is...but every now and then I get a real nice tone from the other end *:thumbsup:
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TONE IS IN YOUR HEAD!!!
I thought it was fingers! Now it's head?
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This is one of the reasons I love Jemsite so much. No one gets flamed here for talking about a different brand of guitar. On some of the other forums you're trashed as soon as you mention another guitar than the ones the forum favor.
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Yeah, man. *Guitar lovers love guitars. *They're about sonic capability, not the name on them. *Still, that JEM10 would be quiiiiiite lovely to have someday...*sigh*
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Jem tone is all about pyrotechnics

I'd dispute the comments that the tone comes from "processors, the signal chain, and perhaps overdriven tube overtones." Plug a PRS or a Les Paul or a Strat or a Flying V straight into an amp - are you going to get much tone without overdriving the tubes? I think we can even forget the processors and the signal chain, and I really don't think many guitars sound great without overdriving the tubes. What's the guy's point?



If someone knows where that file is on the net, which is an interview with Steve that appeared on a CD with UK's Guitarist magazine. Basically, Steve demo'd the (then new) BSB using a Laney LC-15 (£200 amp) an OD-1 and a Crybaby. That's a pretty low-tech chain.

One of the things he demonstrated was the tonal variety inherent in the Jems, and it's great fuel for your reply. He plays a few distinctly non-pyrotechnic pieces.

I'd rip the CD but it's back at my other house. I think it might even be the file here:

http://jemsite.com/dl/index.htm

But I can't check it right now.


If we use the same setup I've described above, any guitar is going to bring its own colour but not masses of tonal variety (PRS does have a fair bit more variety than a Les Paul, granted). It's not strictly whether another guitar would be useful that's under debate; specifically, the first point the poster raises is whether or not the Jem has any tone of its own. Well, I'm very surprised that an owner of a Jem can dismiss the pickups so easily if nothing else. The comment about the neck is related, but slightly different.


Let us know the response you get.
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Well a JEM still is a Steve Vai guitar, Steve plays a lot of goofy shred music (whatever you want to call it) with a lot of processors in the signal chain. *Guy never said the guitars sucked, so I pretty much agree with him.
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