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post #1 of 23 (permalink) Old 09-24-2020, 07:29 PM Thread Starter
 
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Jem77p-bfp tremolo upgrade

Hi everyone! I just got a Jem77p-bfp and been loving it! Iīm new to this floating bridge things and did a really big mistake. I adjusted the action while the strings were tight and didnīt know that we coudnīt do that (the ibanez manual doesnīt say anything about it). Now Iīm seeing everyone on youtube videos saying how bad it is to your bridge. Well, the guitar isn't the same. Now, the bridge doesnīt stay in tune as before. I was thinking, even though I won't do it now, to upgrade the bridge for a far better one like the low pro, or even I read here the Gotohs are good. My big question is, will it be to much of a hustle to put that kind of bridge on the Jem? Will the luthier have to make ''space'' for it? I know it might be dumb, but it breaks my heart to have to do that to the guitar. Even though I guess that the new bridge will be good...
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There are only a few Ibanez trems you cannot adjust under tension [ITL, Edge Pro 2, Edge 3, etc]. Whatever your problem is has nothing to do with adjusting action unless it was lubed in that spot and you've moved it off the lube. And you have locking studs which if you didn't unlock to adjust means they weren't locked anyway. But an EZ2 has some of the hardest knife edges and studs you'll find in any guitar.
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There are only a few Ibanez trems you cannot adjust under tension [ITL, Edge Pro 2, Edge 3, etc]. Whatever your problem is has nothing to do with adjusting action unless it was lubed in that spot and you've moved it off the lube. And you have locking studs which if you didn't unlock to adjust means they weren't locked anyway. But an EZ2 has some of the hardest knife edges and studs you'll find in any guitar.
So glad to hear that. Well then..I don't really know what the problem might be. I sometimes get only three strings detuned, and the others not. And sometimes, I just get for example the G string extremely low and wont go back to pitch even If I pull a lot.
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So glad to hear that. Well then..I don't really know what the problem might be. I sometimes get only three strings detuned, and the others not. And sometimes, I just get for example the G string extremely low and wont go back to pitch even If I pull a lot.
I'm just guessing you're new to floaters and I believe you're not stretching your strings near enough.
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I also did that but the problem persists...
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I'm just guessing you're new to floaters and I believe you're not stretching your strings near enough.
Sorry I didn't quote well on the phone. I also did that before posting but the problem persists. Is it normal to, after using the tremolo for a bit, to get 3 notes out of tune but 3 in perfect pitch?
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Here are some things that can cause tuning issues with the Edge trems(in no particular order):
1-Adjusting the post height and not first loosening the locking screw(small allen screw that is down in the center hole). Not all Edge posts have this, but if yours does, its important to loosen or you might break the large allen head(these parts are replaceable with Ibanez Rules being a great source). Once height is set, tightening this screw creates a very solid connection from bridge to body.
2-Adjusting the posts with full string tension; this will eventually wear both the knife edge of the trem and the V-shaped part of the post. As those 2 parts wear, they will not always go back to pitch.
3-Brand of strings. Sometimes changing brands will make the difference. For me, Dean Markley seems to hold tune a bit better than D'Addario.(no idea why)
4-stretching the strings(already mentioned)
5- A locking nut that is either not tightly locked, or has loose bolts in the neck. I have seen a few where the locking nut actually moves when the trem is lowered and then returns.
6-Bridge not setup correctly. At rest, the baseplate of the bridge should be level with the top of the body. To set that, I will tighten the springs(or add more), block the bridge so it stops when at the correct level, Tune to pitch and lock the nut, remove the block(the guitar will go way sharp), loosen the spring claw(remove extra springs) evenly on each side until the guitar is back in correct tune. Changing string brands, composition or gauge can all require this to be reset.

So, if your guitar is not staying in tune, something is amiss. I tend to abuse mine a fair amount and rarely have tuning issues. For me, the original Edge, Edge LoPro and Edge Pro are the best trem bridges ever(Edge Pro 2, Edge III and the like, not so much). One of my guitars is an RGT42-DR and I replaced all the Korean hardware with stuff from the Prestige line and its every bit as good as the J-Custom I sold last year.
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Thanks for the help! After everything done, I still get tunning problems. For example, after using the trem I normally get just one string to low or high and just doesnt make any sense to me. The guys from where I bought it are no help at all...

When I bought it, I tight the locking nut to much and you can see the marks of the strings. Not to much though. Could it be that?
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Maybe after years of overtightening, the pads aren't the best metallurgy, but not this soon. Pluck a string behind the nut and dive and it should hold pitch.
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Maybe after years of overtightening, the pads aren't the best metallurgy, but not this soon. Pluck a string behind the nut and dive and it should hold pitch.
Thanks for the answer. So if I do that and it stays in tune, it means its the locking nut?
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If the string behind the nut hold pitch it's not the nut.
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If the string behind the nut hold pitch it's not the nut.
Sorry If I dont understand well, I'm not a native speaker. You mean to pluck the string behind the nut with the screw that holds the string loose? Because if its tight I dont understand well what to do.

Sorry again and thanks a lot for the help!
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Tight. If there is any change in pitch behind the nut using the trem the nut is moving or a string is slipping.
I doubt it's your problem.

If you have a problem, no trem is going to return every string perfect after pullup. It's it's just a little out it's normal. If it's alot out it needs something.
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Tight. If there is any change in pitch behind the nut using the trem the nut is moving or a string is slipping.
I doubt it's your problem.

If you have a problem, no trem is going to return every string perfect after pullup. It's it's just a little out it's normal. If it's alot out it needs something.

Thank you again for your help. It's sad, but doing what you told me, even tightening even more the nut, when I dive the pitch changes. I'm calling the shop tomorrow. If they don't help me, I guess I should buy a new locking nut right?

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Tighten the nut holdown screws, your pads are fine.
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