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post #1 of 10 (permalink) Old 06-01-2002, 01:04 AM Thread Starter
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Js1000 through my legacy problems

I play a js1000 into my legacy, the paf sounds very muddy, but when i turn up the treble and mid to clean it up the fred gets to shrill! i tried using a ds-1 and had similar probs also i tried a 10 band mxr eq and couldn't get rid of the muddiness from the paf.

Anyone else having this problem? What did u do? My pick up hieght is fine i know there is nothing wrong with my guitar.

plz help before i get frustrated and break my everything in my room. Do u think the batteries are dieng in my ds-1 it's been awhile since i replaced that 9 volt. It's muddy even when i get out my kh-2 esp with emg-81 pickups. Help!!!! My treble is at 7 mid 8 bass 7.5 and presence at 8.
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post #2 of 10 (permalink) Old 06-15-2002, 06:24 PM
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Well, a number of solutions.

1.) instead of boosting the treble and mids, try cutting the bass. This ought to give you a more balanced tone, without the shrillness you're finding when you switch over to the Fred. It looks like you have everything boosted in the EQ section, so maybe start again with a flat EQ and instead of boosting to get a tone, try cutting some frequencies. Then try a mix of boosting and cutting... Then, have someone who knows nothing about guitars set the tone knobs into a configuration they think is "pretty," and see how it sounds. experiment!

2.) Either lower the PAF under the bass strings, or lower the Fred under the treble side. Basically, you want them pretty even across as a neutral starting cross- make sure they're level first. Then, experiment a bit with slight tilts in the pickups- check both string-to-string balance (by far the most important consideration) and tonal response as you do this, of course.

3.) Back off the gain a bit. More gain nearly always equals more mud, and you'd be suprised how much "heavier" a slightly cleaner tone can sound. As an added benifit, as you begin to clean up your tone, you can no longer rely on the amp's natural compression as much to compensate for bad technique, forcing you to become a better player.

4.) Lose the DS-1. Yeah, Steve and Joe both use them... but this is YOUR tone we're talking about here, not theirs. What sounds best to your ears is what's important here, and adding a outboard distortion between your guitar and your amp can definately give you excess mud. Alternatively, dial up a nearly clean setting on the DS-1; these guys use it more as a slight overdrive, to kick their lead tone into high gear, rather than as a substantial gain boost.

5.) Re-evaluate your tone in a band setting. The fred might be sounding shrill unaccompanied, but just maybe against bass and drums it'll be "that" tone, and occupy the space the other instruments are leaving open. the secret to a huge guitar tone isn't actually in having a tone that sounds massive, but rather a tone that sounds massive in context. Everything's relative.

6.) Give up and mail me that JS, and buy yourself a nice, un-shrill les paul. :P (actually, on a more serious note, there is still the possibility that maybe a JS into a legacy just isn't the setup for you- try some other gear and see if you like the results)

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post #3 of 10 (permalink) Old 06-15-2002, 06:33 PM
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I have the same problem...... but here is what I do. I have my drive on 5 because I drive my amp with an EQ, but I always dial in my tone without the EQ on. You have to find the right ballance between the presence and the drive. I dial in my tone using the fred and then, as you say, the PAF is very muddy. I always use the coil tap on the PAF and it sounds great to me. Also turning the volume on your guitar down to about 8 will help the PAF in humbucking mode.

my expierances

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post #4 of 10 (permalink) Old 06-20-2002, 12:47 AM Thread Starter
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thanks alot guys, Ive taken all recomendations into consideration. One thing i've noticed is when i play loud meaning vol is at 1 or above my paf and tone is not muddy at all very nice. But playing quietly it gets muddy. What i've done is just turned on the coil split when volume is low on the amp and everything is nice. Also i turned down the bass and the drive to 5.5 thanks again!
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post #5 of 10 (permalink) Old 06-26-2002, 01:41 PM
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ahh... god bless tube power amps. If the volume's too much at 1 (hehehe, i'm jealous, my "bedroom cutoff" is in the neighborhood of 2.5), maybe the power attenuation switch on the back? i think you can cut the power amp section down to 25 watts, which would give you a bit more useful power amp crunch before the volume really kicks in. Just a thought.

Makes sense, though- i mean, this is a Steve vai amp. Of course it sounds better loud!

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post #6 of 10 (permalink) Old 07-12-2002, 08:54 AM
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JS1000 through my legacy problems

Yeah, makes since. In my bedroom I always play through a danelectro Daddy O overdrive into an old squier combo. Sounds great, I can get heavy metal sounds, leads solo sounds, and everything I want. Although I want to by a powerful tube amp, that'll be for gigging, because amps like that usually need to be turned up for good sound.
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post #7 of 10 (permalink) Old 07-12-2002, 11:13 AM
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is this a regular prob with a js tough a legacy?????????????

im thinkin of gettin one and i dont want to have tese probs
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post #8 of 10 (permalink) Old 07-12-2002, 11:22 AM
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I don't understand

I have absolutely no problems with mine.....JS's, JEM's, UV's, PGM's through the Legacy.

I also have my presence and mids at lower settings than stated above
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post #9 of 10 (permalink) Old 07-16-2002, 06:00 AM
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Give up and buy a Marshall DSL.
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post #10 of 10 (permalink) Old 07-19-2002, 12:53 AM
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Heh..... My nobs have changed so much since I last posted in this thread but I still hold that for the smoothness to come through you have to find the right relationship or presence and gain.

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