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post #1 of 18 (permalink) Old 04-10-2004, 09:51 PM Thread Starter
 
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Lion Claw question

Does the Lion Claw rout-out for the Edge trem on the JEM allow for any more pulling up on the bar than any other RG (or Prestige =)? Or is the Lion Claw routing mainly for "cosmetic" purposes.. and really isn't more functional than the standard Ibanez trem routing?

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strictly cosmetic... glen
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Not true, the claw does add a little extra depth to the rout and allows the string lock bolts on an Edge depper travel for a little more range.
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You can get the same travel w/ proper setup. Nevermind edge systems are now over a decade old in JEMs.

it's purely cosmetic. ...glen
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In the exact same setup the Jem will have further travel, let's stick to facts
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nope. they both bottom out in the rear routing by the block. obvious stuff... glen
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I'm not getting into an arguing match with somebody that obviously doesn't have a clue.

You can always increase the neck angle on any model to get the extended range, but a Jem with much shallower neck angle will have a greater pullup range. In normal setup it's the shelf under the trem that will stop travel and not the rout [or the block]
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I tested my other axes.. and pulling up an open G string.. I can pull up to around "C" (5th fret)... and maybe a touch more on my Jackson DK2 and my BC Rich ST3.. I would ASSUME the Edge on a reg RG would pull up at least as far as "C" on that case... can the JEM get much farther? If so, then I guess the Lion Claw does pull up more.

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The jem/rg will do the same when setup properly. no more as they'll fret out then break a string if the trem doesn't bottom as i already stated.

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I'm not getting into an arguing match with somebody that obviously doesn't have a clue.

You can always increase the neck angle on any model to get the extended range, but a Jem with much shallower neck angle will have a greater pullup range. In normal setup it's the shelf under the trem that will stop travel and not the rout [or the block]
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On a regular RG you won't get a 5th without a neck shim. [or on nearly every other Ibanez from the factory]
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Actually I'm getting a 4th on my Jackson and BC RIch.. a 5th would be "D" and that would be the 7th fret... WOW!!! Can you get that with an Ibanez?
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Rich, on both my RG's I can get a fourth (5th fret C) with proper setup, and MORE. No shim and my 550 goes to D (6th fret) quite easily.

My 520's trem sit's slightly lower with the action I like but will still give me about a 'sharp' D flat.

I prefer a perfect fourth, so I actually have a stopper in the trem cavities (plus I go a little nuts sometimes and with that kind of pull-up I'd break strings much quicker.)

I set my Edges up properly, no forward tilt, there are no shims under either neck (the 520 has the neck pocket angled so no shim is needed as I've seen on many other Ibanez). The 550, using the seam where the fret board meets the neck actually looks like the neck is lined up parallel with the top of the body, but a little higher than on my 520.

Now, having only set up one Jem, and never owning one, I can't say if the Jem has more or less, but the RG's rout does give quite a bit of room, judging by the two I own, if they are indicative of the others, I'd say a 5th can be done on most of them. Mine just happen to not need a shim (well, the 520 would, but not a large one) to get that kind of pull up. :-)

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Oh, I guess I should add that my action is at about 3 mm at the moment, so it's a little higher than some may have it set up and could account for some of the extra pull up I'm getting. :-)

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With a million guitarsa out there you will find ones that don't need a shim, but it's not typical, and it does depend on how low the action is set to begin with. I think the block hits in the spring rout right around 7 steps, usually right about where the strings and dying on the frets anyway [again, depening on the height of the action to begin with]
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Oh, I guess I should add that my action is at about 3 mm at the moment, so it's a little higher than some may have it set up and could account for some of the extra pull up I'm getting. :-)

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That extra mm is at least 1 step and probably more
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