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post #16 of 251 (permalink) Old 07-27-2004, 10:18 PM
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You can buy a DBK for the price of an American Tele. !200.00
Les Pauls are all over the place. You can buy a Page replica for 20 something thousand, cigarette burn and all.

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In defense of Ibanez, you can't walk into Guitar Center or Sam Ash in Manhattan and try out a Universe. The last time I was in Guitar Center they had an old JemVWH Hanging near the ceiling which was about 2and a half stories up. The stores make their money turning over lots of cheap guitars and will order a UV for you if you want one. Times have changed. Ash in White Plains used to have at least one of every Vai model on display. People usually don't buy what they can't see and try out.

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Sorry guys, Ibanez JEM sales numbers are at a very (all time??) low point. You don't raise prices on the same (boring) models and hope to create better sales.

You guys seem to be under the delusion that Ibanez would lose money on each JEM shipped unless prices were raised. ROTF... glen
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Wrong, as usual. Of course they're not going to sell MORE at an increased rate, but don't ever expect the distributors to loose any more profit margin than they already have from the falling $.
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you lost sight of the forest in the trees (as usual).

Ibz japan can (and needs to) charge distributors less.

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So now you expect the Company to give up profit margin because the US administration doesn't care about the strength of the $?! Have another cup of joe, your caffeine level is obviously too low!!
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Sorry guys, Ibanez JEM sales numbers are at a very (all time??) low point. You don't raise prices on the same (boring) models and hope to create better sales.

You guys seem to be under the delusion that Ibanez would lose money on each JEM shipped unless prices were raised. ROTF... glen
Not at all, some new models would be cool, but where can you go see one?
They need to get them in the stores if they want to sell them. They also need to get them into the catalogs again. The most expensive Ibanez in the Musicians friend catalog that I got in the mail today was around 600.00. No artist models to be seen. Ibanez had only 1 page in the catalog in the guitar section. Fender had at least 3 or 4, and Gibson/Epiphone the same. The manufacturers pay for these pages. Maybe they need to invest a few bucks in order to make a few.

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So now you expect the Company to give up profit margin because the US administration doesn't care about the strength of the $?! Have another cup of joe, your caffeine level is obviously too low!!
Nah.

I expect the company continue the trend of burying itself in increasingly mediocre to poor products while losing userbase and customers permanently.

Keep rationalizing the stupidity of Ibanez (worldwide) however, it makes for good laughs ... glen
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Not at all, some new models would be cool, but where can you go see one?
Oh, you can be sure you would see one if anyone was buying them.

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They need to get them in the stores if they want to sell them.
No. The stores won't stock them if they sit on racks.

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They also need to get them into the catalogs again. The most expensive Ibanez in the Musicians friend catalog that I got in the mail today was around 600.00. No artist models to be seen. Ibanez had only 1 page in the catalog in the guitar section. Fender had at least 3 or 4, and Gibson/Epiphone the same. The manufacturers pay for these pages. Maybe they need to invest a few bucks in order to make a few.
Waiting for Rich to spew this would cut into profits!!! ROTF.

This is simple supply & demand.

Pricy Ibanez axes are very low in demand... glen
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And what exactly is mediochre about a VWH? Or an AR3000?
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So now you expect the Company to give up profit margin because the US administration doesn't care about the strength of the $?! Have another cup of joe, your caffeine level is obviously too low!!
Nah.

I expect the company continue the trend of burying itself in increasingly mediocre to poor products while losing userbase and customers permanently.

Keep rationalizing the stupidity of Ibanez (worldwide) however, it makes for good laughs ... glen
The trend for the last few years in the stores and catalogs has been selling cheap instruments. Ibanez needs to get their Prestige and artist models some exposure. Even if they have to give them to stores on consignment. They also need to spend some of the money that they make selling cheap guitars on advertising their better products. It's not just a Jem issue, Try to find a dealer with a Metheny or Benson model to try out.

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And what exactly is mediochre about a VWH?
I said the VWH was boring. But if you want to quantify it as "mediochre" let me start with the way it fails to stay in tune from Guitar Center. Nevermind it's been beaten to death in production for 11+ years now... yet it is still the most "exciting" JEM available

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Or an AR3000?
Congrats you found one of the few non-mediocre Ibanez axes! (Note i said "increasingly mediocre not 100% mediocre). It's a great axe but it won't sell because...

#1. it's not a Gbson or PRS or Fender
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#2. noone will see or play these in showrooms

Ibanez would get more sales of the AR3000 simply by sending me a guitar to review write up & photograph along with a few other internet sites & guitar mags than placing them in print catalogs. I'd wager heavily my review of the AR2000 (i purchased independantly) got more interest out of the axe than any ibanez "marketing" scheme to date on the axe... glen
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Pricy Ibanez axes are very low in demand... glen
So why is that? Is it Ibanez' fault that kids aren't listening to their artists?
Fender has probably sold more overpriced Jazzmaster reissues in the past 10 years then when they were new products. The anti-music movement of the 90s hasn't gone away. Vai and Satch probably have pretty much the same fan base for the last 10 years. Who is going to buy all of these guitars? I have 3. How many more can I justify buying at any price? Musical trends have much more to do with it than the price of the guitars. Maybe another record with the impact that Passion and Warfare had is in order

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your observation is spot on except musical trends have nothing to do with what we're talking about.

PRS/Gibson are selling "double cutaway artists" yet Ibanez' AR3000 is ignored in the marketplace... glen
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