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post #1 of 41 (permalink) Old 10-13-2002, 05:37 PM Thread Starter
 
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RG really a low priced Jem?

In the history on this very site, it quotes a guy who wrote an electric guitar history book, who says that the Jem and RG series were introduced at the same time (1987 NAMM) and the RG was 'a lower priced derivative'...

That really confirmable?

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post #2 of 41 (permalink) Old 10-13-2002, 06:27 PM
 
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yeah. The body dimensions are the same and so is the trem. Thats where the similarities stop though. A big difference in quality (typically). Some high end rgs, prestiges, j-customs, tend to have an equal quality level and its especially depending on the player as well.
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well, the RG is a low priced jem like a volkswagon is a low priced porsche,

The RG and the Jem share the same body shape, but that's where it ends basically. With the exception of the edge tremolo's on the higher end RG's and Jem's.

The Jem of course has the obvious differences visually with the monkey grip and lions claw, and typically the different inlays, but also the neck profile is different, the neck width, scalloped frets, electronics, and in many cases the fit and finish.

However, if you don't care about the neck and pickups, then yeah, I guess you could call it a low end Jem, like you could call a beetle a low end 911.

A RG is a Jem with less horsepower and lower end handling LOL

You can argue the same thing with the RG7's vs Universe, but just like the Jems, there are differences.

I posted in a thread about the cost difference's, but I'll do it again,

Lets be realistic and assume that you want a Jem, vs the RG, but you buy an RG thinking you can convert it.

So, lets assume an RG550 used from ebay, for $350 compared to a JEM777DY from ebay for $750, both realistic prices.
Ok, first of all, lets make the RG functionally the same as the jem, ignore the cosmetics for now.
RG @ $350
new dimarzio pickups $180
Upper fret scallop $30
Neck joint modification (assuming the DY vs older RG orinal neck) $50
Body refinish from the neck joint. $150

Ok, now we have a total of $770 into the RG. lets add cosmetics,
Vine inlay or pyramid inlay $400
Monkey grip and lions claw $140
Jem style input jack $40
now we'll add those to the RG, $1350, the price of a new VWH!!!!!!!!!! and, the VWH is alder, with a lo-pro trem.


So, maybe that's a far fetched approach, there are lots that change the pickups in a Jem too, but, even with all those mods, you still have a wizard neck vs a jem neck, if you like that, fine. But basically, the bottom line here is, you can't compare a Jem to a RG, same as you can't compare a Porsche to a VW.

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an rg 270 is a volkswagon. A 550 is more of a honda civic. lol. Still a good guitar IMHO. They both tune to A 440 dont they?
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I was only using the VW vs Porsche comparison because VW is built by Porsche, like the RG's and Jems are both Ibanez's hehehe.

The honda, that would be like a Jackson, not a bad car, but sure as hell not a porsche
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Lets be a little more honest though. The jem is like the mclaren f-1. The good rgs are more of a 6 cylinder mustang. Flashy enough to get laid in but still holding a few things back. lol
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Once you get into the higher end RG's like the 3120 vs. Jem they're equally fine guitars, just a matter of taste.
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hmm...

My personal opinion... the vwh rocks, it has alder body and evo pups.... I would take this over any other Jem with basswood.

RGT3120... I'd take it over all other models(except vwh), but if it was alder wood with evo pups I'd rather have it than the vwh! I love the js guitars, but there again basswood... now mahagony or alder, I'd take a mahagony or alder js over anything(even vwh)!

I would say a high end rg is as good as a Jem. But when you talk about the vwh, then that thing is in a leage of its own.

in short the rg3120(rgt3120), Jemvwh and even some of the S prestiges are IMO on equal ground... just personal choice. However the vwh... dang, its a sweet guitar BUT it sounds 'like' Vai which some hate.
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I tend to look at the RG as the lower cost JEM. They're basically the same, and as the original poster pointed out, the RG was designed to be a lower-cost option while still retaining a lot of the look of the JEM series.

Personally, I'd take an RG over a JEM simply because I like to mod 'em my way. I'm probably replacing the pickups in whatever I buy, so that cost is added to either guitar. I like bound necks. I save on the base model, then apply the difference to make the guitar look and feel the way *I* want it to - not Steve Vai. I don't buy signature guitars because they are someone else's idea of a great guitar, not necessarily mine.

I still haven't found a JEM that could kick my RG1200's ass in the price range. The VWH is close, but cost - plus the fact that it has no binding - puts it out of the RG's league.

Some people look at it like - "Hey, the JEM has less wood due to the routings, I'm getting ripped!"

This is my opinion, and it's like ice cream - there're 31 flavors for a reason.
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Agreed on just about all those points... lotta cool responses. I guess my main question to clarify, was.. the RG was pretty much spawned with the Jem, and didn't get manufactured beforehand... if that's the case, all RG players owe quite a lot to the Jem, and imo the Jem should be even dare I say more popular than it is? Heh, maybe it IS that popular (as in just about anyone who has ever heard Ibanez knows that a Jem is...cuz to be honest I didn't at first )

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Re: RG really a low priced Jem?

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In the history on this very site, it quotes a guy who wrote an electric guitar history book, who says that the Jem and RG series were introduced at the same time (1987 NAMM) and the RG was 'a lower priced derivative'...

That really confirmable?

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I see little worth discussing here.

The RG/Roadstar was available before the JEM, as were some other experimental "superstrats" (maxxas) from ibanez.

Vai signed on to ibanez and when he did, he created the JEM line. At the same time, the entire Ibanez lineup was improved and the JEM's baby-brother RG line was revamped and improved too. End of story in my book... glen
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When EXACTLY did the RG come out? Anybody have an 86' catalog? They were not in the 85'. Steve's personal Jem proto's were done in 86' the way I figure the timeline of them getting him a Maxxus right before Christmas 85'.
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When EXACTLY did the RG come out? Anybody have an 86' catalog? They were not in the 85'. Steve's personal Jem proto's were done in 86' the way I figure the timeline of them getting him a Maxxus right before Christmas 85'.
the revamped RGs (ie namechange from roadstar) were in stores when the LNGs were orderable and SK and DYs were flowing... glen
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I'd still like to see an 86' catalog, and the imposible to find 87'.
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Re: RG really a low priced Jem?

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In the history on this very site, it quotes a guy who wrote an electric guitar history book, who says that the Jem and RG series were introduced at the same time (1987 NAMM) and the RG was 'a lower priced derivative'...

That really confirmable?

-Alex
I see little worth discussing here.

The RG/Roadstar was available before the JEM, as were some other experimental "superstrats" (maxxas) from ibanez.

Vai signed on to ibanez and when he did, he created the JEM line. At the same time, the entire Ibanez lineup was improved and the JEM's baby-brother RG line was revamped and improved too. End of story in my book... glen
THAT information I did not know and couldn't find it elsewhere on the web (no RG origin sites believe it or not), save that Maxxas was available earlier. Thanks. My curiosity is satisfied.
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