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post #1 of 20 (permalink) Old 10-23-2001, 02:18 PM Thread Starter
 
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Stripped neck on a Jem7VWH - Advice needed

I've done a search on the archive and can find no old threads on this subject. My apologies if this is a duplication.

My 7VWH needs a set up. This is something I will be treating myself to for Christmas. At the same time, however, I was thinking of stripping the back to a natural finish as I love the feel of those old unfinished Jem necks. I am not particularly concerned about how this might affect the resale
value of my guitar as I have no intention of selling it for the foreseeable future.

Has anybody done this themself or is it a job best left to a professional guitar repairer/luthier? Am i likely to lose the side position markers as they seem to be painted onto the edge of the board?

Any input would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks

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the neck unfinish is a D.I.Y project for anyone with basic mechanical skills and some patience. The Guitars:TECH/SETUP area outlines how it is done. It is best to do BEFORE a setup since the neck should be removed. This has been widely discussed but search various keywords to locate the discussions. Good luck... glen
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are the rotbeer-neck's clearcoated ??
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Thanks Glen,
I'll let you know whether I pluck up the courage to do this myself.
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I did mine according to the instructions in the Tech area, Matt and it's really easy... If you're too cautious (like I was) it'll just take you twice as long and still turn out great! I can't imagine how you could really mess it up if you're at all carefull...
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I decided to take the jump and strip my 7V neck about 1.5 years ago, and since then, all my other guitars have had their necks sanded.

I went and followed the Jemsite.com method, which got me started very well, but when I used the 0000 steel wool, it felt like the original finish was back on, it was just too smooth, I wanted to really feel the wood. I think the lowest grade of sandpaper I used at that time was 220, after sanding again AFTER the steel wool to bring it back to a rougher texture, I decided I wanted it a little more rough, 150 grit sandpaper worked fine.

I could see where it would be easier to take the neck off, however it can be done without taking it off as long as your careful around the AANJ so you don't end up scratching the guitar.

I've left mine totally unfinished as well, no Tung oil or anything. I'm going to put some on another guitar, to see how it affects the feel of it, but right now I absolutely LOVE the way my 7V feels. It hasn't 'greyed' like I heard it would or anything like that, but I know with a lot of sweat, over time it could happen, so I'd like to prevent it.
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Thanks for all the advice and encouragement guys.
I've been to the Tech/setup section and had a read and it all seems to make sense. I have just one more query before I take the plunge on this.

It recommends in the tech section that the edge of the fingerboard is masked of with electrical tape prior to sanding.
Is the edge of the board on a VWH clear coated or raw ebony?It's really hard to tell because the neck is really well worn in and the edge of the board has a real sheen. If it is clear coated would I be OK to sand the edge of the board back too? Am I likely to remove the position dots if this is the case as they seem to be painted rather than inlayed.

Sorry to be a total wus about this . My Jem really is at the top of my guitar heap and I want to make sure I am totally confident before I take the plunge (even if it does take twice as long Jimi )

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Matt,
The tape is to protect the side markers and the edges of the frets. The side markers are inlays and will get scratched easily.

Don't sweat doing this yourself. It isn't that bad. But I, and everyone else here, would recommend you remove the neck before starting. Just to be on the safe side. Then start with 150 grit sand paper and remove the finish. Keep a damp (not wet) sponge handy and wipe the neck every so often. This will also show you where finish still needs to be sanded. The whole job, from removing the neck to sanding to reattaching the neck will take about an hour...maybe less.

Have fun!!

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My sweaty hands tend to create a natural clear coat on the neck, so once a week I use steel wool to clean the back of the neck (to restore that natural feel).
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If you do scratch the side markers then don't worry about it, just go over them with progressively higher paper grits up to 600/800 or so.
When I install inlays on a board I do so halfway through the radiusing so I can continue and sand them down flush with the radius of the board, which also applys to the side markers.

The good thing about Ibanez is that they don't finish their necks with ludicrous amounts of coat.
It's quite easy to remove.

For a first timer I'd start with 240 grit to be honest and attach the paper to some leather or similar material so you don't rub through any areas (the leather will help with "snugging" itself around the neck shape)

Personally I go up to about 600 on the back of a neck and then 0000 wire wool.
After that I'll just add some tung oil for a little protection.

I know it sounds like a lot of work, but it really does make a difference and will also give you that added confidence to work on your guitar in the future.

good luck

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post #11 of 20 (permalink) Old 10-25-2001, 02:59 PM
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The side dot markers on my 7VWH are definitely painted on. This is evident by the visible grain of the ebony flowing through the markers. I imagine if one were to sand the ebony, they would disappear. Dot markers on both my 777DY and DNA are inlays. My only complaint about the 7VWH is that the markers are painted, and seem to look faded when compared to other VWH's. Now my question is were they ever inlays? If so when did they switch to paint? --rvj
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post #12 of 20 (permalink) Old 10-26-2001, 02:51 AM
 
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I like the unfinished feel, but you need to coat it or you get it dirty and have to strip it down all the time. *Eventually, you will have nothing but a fretboard.
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Good stuff. I'm almost confident to sand the back of my new old Jem10, but...

The back of the neck looks really dirty, and feels as if it is saturated with old sweat and dirt. (Ok, this is all probably just in my head, since i bought it 2nd hand from i guy i don't know, but the neck feels bad!).

I wonder how deep the wood will suck up sweat and dirt (how much i will need to sand off), and if there's another way to get the wood to spit it all out.

The tech at the store told me to just use a lot of water, but then he said that i really really should coat the neck after sanding it, so i no longer take his word for stuff like this. (-:
On the other hand, i can imagine that using oil or perhaps anything else that the wood really 'likes' to suck up, it will loosen the sweat and dirt in order to 'make room' for the oil.

Any sugestions? Or should i just sand a few mm off the neck?
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post #14 of 20 (permalink) Old 06-26-2003, 08:22 AM
 
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think 10th anniversary Jem necks already come "unfinished" (bare).

I was going to do this, as I've read about the success alot of people here on this site have had with sanding their necks. But I've read elsewhere that an unfinished (bare, no oil, no lacquer) is more susceptible to warping. Does this happen?

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No, you're right. The 10 neck is unfinished. If it were finished, it wouldn't be as dirty as it is now (or you could just wipe it off). The unfinished wood sucked up dirt. That's what i want to sand off now. That is, if there's no other way to make it clean pure wood again...

Unfinished will pick up dirt. I guess that's why the tech at the store told me i'd better finish the neck after i sand it. I could not make him believe it actually feels so much better that it's worth that little bit of 'greying'.

BTW, does anybody know if EVO had her neck sanded?
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