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post #1 of 14 (permalink) Old 02-02-2010, 02:57 PM Thread Starter
 
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Stupid Question - define 1 piece neck

I see on the specs page that the Jem7 has a 1 piece neck.

My Jem7 looks to have 2 pieces of maple. The main neck is one piece, then I can see a curved shape seam (big U shape) that starts around the second fret and make a turn at about the 3/4" below the screws that hold the locking nut).

It's clearly 2 pieces of wood...the grain is different.

Serial Number on the back of the headstock starts with F01.
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Re: Stupid Question - define 1 piece neck

Headstock does not count, neck itself is one piece... right?
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Yours is one piece alright. The new Jems and most Prestiges are 5 piece, which to my small hands are thinner.

The man himself uses a one piece neck, so he thinks they are ok.
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Re: Stupid Question - define 1 piece neck

It can be somewhat confusing. In the case of Ibanez, their older "1 piece" necks definitely used a separate piece for the headstock. So, in a sense, it kind of seems like they're really two piece necks. Meanwhile, the newer ones are a 5 piece design with three pieces of maple sandwiching two thin strips of walnut, wenge or bubinga. These do NOT use a separate piece for the headstock, so to me, these are almost more of a "1 piece" design than the old one, even though I know that's not technically correct.
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Headstock does not count, neck itself is one piece... right?
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Thanks for the clarification.

Makes you wonder why some things can't be simple. 2 pieces of wood for the main structure of the neck should be called a 2 piece neck.
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No, the neck is one piece

The headstock doesn't count.

5p necks use additional slivers of wood for the headstock as well, without calling them 7 or 8 piece; besides that, we don't count the fretboard, do we? or the trussrod(s) ?

The u-shape glue seam is known as a scarf joint
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Thanks for the clarification.

Makes you wonder why some things can't be simple. 2 pieces of wood for the main structure of the neck should be called a 2 piece neck.
Agreed. The common naming convention for neck pieces is just plain stupid. A one piece neck should be one piece for neck, headstock, and fretboard like on an old Telecaster. I don't know what Ibanez would call that....

The standard Ibanez '1 piece neck' is three pieces; neck back, headstock, and fretboard.
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No, the neck is one piece

The headstock doesn't count.

5p necks use additional slivers of wood for the headstock as well, without calling them 7 or 8 piece; besides that, we don't count the fretboard, do we? or the trussrod(s) ?

The u-shape glue seam is known as a scarf joint
What would happen if it was snapped in half?? Would it then be a 10 piece neck or count all the parts to make 16??
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What would happen if it was snapped in half?? Would it then be a 10 piece neck or count all the parts to make 16??
I think that would generally be called "kindling".
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Agreed. The common naming convention for neck pieces is just plain stupid. A one piece neck should be one piece for neck, headstock, and fretboard like on an old Telecaster. I don't know what Ibanez would call that....

The standard Ibanez '1 piece neck' is three pieces; neck back, headstock, and fretboard.
Even the old Telecaster necks (with the skunk stripe) arent true 1 pc necks either.
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Even the old Telecaster necks (with the skunk stripe) arent true 1 pc necks either.
Because of the skunk stripe? That's there because it needs to be there really, its basically a truss rod cover. I personally don't count that as a piece, any more than I count the spacers in the Ibanez "5 piece" necks as pieces either. But the original Tele necks were 1 piece without the skunk. They just didn't last very long
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Because of the skunk stripe? That's there because it needs to be there really, its basically a truss rod cover. I personally don't count that as a piece, any more than I count the spacers in the Ibanez "5 piece" necks as pieces either. But the original Tele necks were 1 piece without the skunk. They just didn't last very long
Good point. I'd really hate to be the luthier making a true 1pc neck. The 1 piece Ibanez necks could sort of be considered 1 piece if the headstock was cut from the same neck blank, its just been scarfed to create the headstock angle. I dont know if they are done that way, I've heard that separate pieces are used so that quite small pieces of maple can be used for necks, but the grain on my S540's neck (which is really an RG neck) looks like its from the same piece of maple. It looks almost exactly the same (although flipped over)
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Nothing wrong with a scarf joint and it is stronger than the rest of the neck.

Anyone here that gigged original wizards in the 80s outdoors knows how bad those one piece necks could be, you could not keep the guitar in tune during a hot day if you tried.

It all depends on the grain pattern and where on the tree the neck came from imo esp when talking wizard thin.

Your better off with the 5 piece.
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