Saying you "Hate" the Lo-Pro is a very strong suggestion and comes across a bit childish...

...obviously it boils down to them effectively being the same thing with the Lo-Pro having easier access to the screws...

At least read the post if you're going to reply, because so far you've done a good job of making a lot of claims and assumptions that would be cleared if up you read the posts you're replying to.

They're both great. I own all three. I prefer Lo Pro for string changes but mostly out of familiarity.

I actually get the best performance out of my edge pro since I've spent the most time fine tuning the setup on that guitar and did the locking stud mod (thanks Rich).

I'm guessing for the majority on here Edge vs LoPro, either is good and whether we like the PIA will mostly be due to other factors...

That's ironic coming from you, but I'm not surprised that you're getting even more condescending the further we go along and you try to insist that your thoughts on the matter are the only ones that actually matter.

No, the Edge has better access due to not having to deal with the fine tuners. I don't have to worry at all about what position my fine tuners are in with the Edge.

There you go again making accusations when you're the one who pretended that no one else here owns any of these guitars when you made your presentations on how to use an Ibanez trem.



At least acknowledge that there may be merit to other peoples conclusions, even if you don't agree and stop with the silly accusations. Present your case on merit and stop the attempts at psychoanalysis.

Ironic of me to call you childish for fanboying?

I didn't claim nobody else owned the guitars...

Angled/Ball End allen key, the microtuners are nowhere near in the way if you use the correct tool, regardless of the position of the fine tuners...Use the right tools.

Do you always get into arguments with people where you ignore everything they say and never address their points just so you don't even have to consider the other point of view?

I like both the trems very much, the only relevant difference for me is how easy/fast it is to restring, which is exactly what I said originally and ultimately not a deal breaker in the slightest.

Saying you "Hate" the Lo-Pro is a very strong suggestion and comes across a bit childish, I certainly don't hate anything that is well built and performs it's function well. I attempted to convince you of my logic by explaining how the mechanics lined up with my thought process, you attempted to avoid talking about the mechanics and instead basically attacked me by suggesting I was clueless to the very things I talked about in my previous posts.

I mean come on if you were so convinced of your line of thought you'd have something more than trying to discredit me as a person while displaying pure tribalism style fandom for a lump of metal. If you wanted to convince me you should have focussed on the mechanics of the unit, but obviously it boils down to them effectively being the same thing with the Lo-Pro having easier access to the screws, which was the basis for my point all along. I don't really care what trem you prefer, I was looking for some mechanical logic to your view and the only one would be if you've yet to discover the angled or ball end allen key and you only use straight ones.

At least read the post if you're going to reply, because so far you've done a good job of making a lot of claims and assumptions that would be cleared if up you read the posts you're replying to.



Condescension is generally the tone I give to someone (not you) who decides to

1. Not read posts, then post about aspects I discussed in those very posts as if I'm unaware of them.. Ex. dipping the trem, changing strings quickly/during a song.
2. Not address any of the mechanical points I raised, but still take the time to jump to some wild conclusions and blind assumptions for a personal dig. Ad-hominem.
3. Display of pure irrational fanboyism for a lump of metal, I didn't know it was such a topic that we need to talk about "hating" a trem.

It's completely fine to like one unit more than the other, but we're now participating in an argument where Hoseki doesn't want to talk about the trems or how they are designed, he wants to try to "win" the argument by attempting to discredit me with assumptions from his imagination.... That's when I get really condescending like I'm talking to a child.

Another childish opening for you. Nice attempt at suggesting that my preference for the Edge is based on ignorance, especially since you appear to be the one actually presenting as a LoPro fanboy. Would be great if you could just focus on the bridge itself and leave the personal stuff out. (I guess I've already said that a couple times but you seem to keep not reading my whole posts.)

No, you just talk to us like you think we don't know how to use them and that you're the only pro in the forum.

The Ibanez wrench set which has been available for decades, is the right tool. Fine tuners aren't in the way IF, you go buy a ball end wrench, which, just to let you know, is something I considered doing, but decided not to because I have a perfectly designed Edge that works BETTER FOR ME than the LoPro can/will. I have the right tools.

No, I get into arguments with people who think their view is the only valid one.

Quit taking it so personally and acknowledge that your view may not be the only one that works. There is no way that the LoPro is universally better than the Edge; just better for some users and not for others.

Mid-song I change guitars, not strings. It is the fastest way to be in tune.

Mid-song I change guitars, not strings. It is the fastest way to be in tune.

You post like a dirty politician, constantly trying to pin **** on me that I haven't even said.

My personal thoughts on the PIA.

Good or neutral:
- Luminlay
- Edge
- Stainless steel frets