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post #1 of 20 (permalink) Old 01-15-2012, 11:14 AM Thread Starter
 
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Tone Zone and Air Norton in a JS1000????

I just picked up a JS1000 a few weeks ago.
I love the harmonics and the way the guitar just sings!
I don't like the tone of the pickups though......
They are way too bright for my tastes!

I have a set of DiMarzios in another guitar (CE-24) that I was thinking of trying out in the JS.

Air Norton in the neck.
Tone Zone F spaced in the bridge.

I'm looking for fat, powerful tones with lots of harmonics and sustain.
What do you guys think?
Will the Air Norton take away from the harmonics that the PAF Pro has?
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Re: Tone Zone and Air Norton in a JS1000????

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Will the Air Norton take away from the harmonics that the PAF Pro has?
Probably and you'll instantly notice a lack of output compared to the PAF Pro. I'd try a Liquifire or Evolution instead.
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Re: Tone Zone and Air Norton in a JS1000????

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Probably and you'll instantly notice a lack of output compared to the PAF Pro. I'd try a Liquifire or Evolution instead.
Those are two very different pickups
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Re: Tone Zone and Air Norton in a JS1000????

If you JS1000 Has a Dimarzio FRED in the bridge and a PAF Pro in the neck, your rig is the problem.
These picks give the tone your talking about.
What other pickups do you own that you like when played through your rig?
What is you rig made up of?
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Re: Tone Zone and Air Norton in a JS1000????

I don't think it's my amp. I have an amp shop that specializes in souping up Mesa amps.

Pickups that I really like with my setup are:
PRS McCarty with Duncan Alnico II humbuckers - extremely warm and buttery with lots of sustain
PRS CE-24 with Air Norton and Tone Zone - Very edgy and punchy sounding, like a kick in the chest. Lots of sustain and warmth there too.

The PAF Pro is nice sounding, but a little bit looser sounding than the Air Norton.
The Fred is ok, but too bright for my tastes.

Setup is.....
Guitar
Fulltone Clyde Deluxe Wah
BYOC OD-2 pedal
Digitech Whammy
Planet Waves tuner pedal
into the front of the amp
Mesa DC-5, completely reconfigured to my circuit which is basically like an SLO on the lead channel and Fender Super Reverb cleans.
TC Electronic Flashback Delay in the loop

The pickups in the JS are too bright for me when I play it through other amps too, like.....
Mesa Maverick
Mesa Express 5:25
Fender Princeton Reverb - hand wired Allesandro
Fender Deluxe Reverb - hand wired Allesandro
and just about any other amp that I get in my shop


I really like the feedback, sustain and harmonics of the PAF Pro, but it is a little loose sounding for my tastes.
The Fred is just way too bright for me. I know lots of guys really like them, but it doesn't suit my tone.
I didn't buy the guitar because it has the JS name on it, I bought it because it's super light and fun to play & it won't go out of tune no matter what I do with the tremolo.
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post #6 of 20 (permalink) Old 01-15-2012, 05:34 PM
 
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Re: Tone Zone and Air Norton in a JS1000????

I personally would just put an EQ pedal after the guitar and remove the harsh frequencies you dislike.
A pick up is nothing more than an EQ curve and gain,you said that the gain and harmonics were there just the tone was lacking.
Its worth a try and you wont have to devalue the resale on your JS etc + most p/up brands EQ curves can be found online.......food for thought.
Nothing beats an EQ for tone shaping.
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Re: Tone Zone and Air Norton in a JS1000????

Thanks Corey,
I actually thought about that, but I think I just want to change the bridge pickup.
Last night I played it for about 5 hours at practice and I was able to EQ the amp well enough to get a very good sound out of the neck pickup.
I messed with the heights, especially with the Fred.

I just don't really like it. An EQ won't really help. My amp has a built in 5 band EQ, it helped, but not like I wanted it to.

I'll just replace the pickups and keep the original ones in case I ever sell the guitar.
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I don't think it's my amp. I have an amp shop that specializes in souping up Mesa amps.

Pickups that I really like with my setup are:
PRS McCarty with Duncan Alnico II humbuckers - extremely warm and buttery with lots of sustain
PRS CE-24 with Air Norton and Tone Zone - Very edgy and punchy sounding, like a kick in the chest. Lots of sustain and warmth there too.

The PAF Pro is nice sounding, but a little bit looser sounding than the Air Norton.
The Fred is ok, but too bright for my tastes.

Setup is.....
Guitar
Fulltone Clyde Deluxe Wah
BYOC OD-2 pedal
Digitech Whammy
Planet Waves tuner pedal
into the front of the amp
Mesa DC-5, completely reconfigured to my circuit which is basically like an SLO on the lead channel and Fender Super Reverb cleans.
TC Electronic Flashback Delay in the loop

The pickups in the JS are too bright for me when I play it through other amps too, like.....
Mesa Maverick
Mesa Express 5:25
Fender Princeton Reverb - hand wired Allesandro
Fender Deluxe Reverb - hand wired Allesandro
and just about any other amp that I get in my shop


I really like the feedback, sustain and harmonics of the PAF Pro, but it is a little loose sounding for my tastes.
The Fred is just way too bright for me. I know lots of guys really like them, but it doesn't suit my tone.
I didn't buy the guitar because it has the JS name on it, I bought it because it's super light and fun to play & it won't go out of tune no matter what I do with the tremolo.
Now that I see your rig I can see why you say it is tooo bright.
Try an AT-1 Dimarzio if you want something a little different, but in the same ballpark as the TZ
Also an EVO Neck or Air Norton or Norton no Air
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Re: Tone Zone and Air Norton in a JS1000????

I used to play a JS100 with an Evo bridge for a while. It sounded awesome but I also eq'ed my amp heavier on the bass side.
Tone Zone would probably sound killer but you would need to tweak your amp a bit as it is a much beefier pickup than a Fred.
A Breed might be a good choice, as is the AT-1 but they too are a bit different.
There also seems to be a new pickup on Dimarzio's site; the Mark Morton Dominion. No sound clips though but the EQ looks to favor where you're going. I don't know how metal you're looking to sound too.
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Re: Tone Zone and Air Norton in a JS1000????

Can I give a piece of advice? be careful when mixing alnico humbuckers in the bridge and Mesa amplifiers.
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Re: Tone Zone and Air Norton in a JS1000????

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Can I give a piece of advice? be careful when mixing alnico humbuckers in the bridge and Mesa amplifiers.
Not sure what you mean by that, but thanks.

I've been using Alnico pickups through Mesa amps for over 10 years with some pretty stellar results.
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Re: Tone Zone and Air Norton in a JS1000????

It probably depends on the amp. My Custom with Tone Zone in the bridge sounded muddy through my TriAxis. It has an Evo 2 now. Fortunately, the entire rack is about to be replaced by a Stiletto.
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Re: Tone Zone and Air Norton in a JS1000????

Some preamps and or how they are set, can cause mud to flow from the cabs.
They just can't accept the full tone reange of the pickup.
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Re: Tone Zone and Air Norton in a JS1000????

EQ settings and Gain settings on any amp can get muddy if they aren't set right.
I see a lot of amps come into my shop with mud issues. Usually, it's just a matter of tuning the amp to the guitar.

Although.....Some amps are just muddy no matter what you do.
The DC is never muddy unless I crank the bass on the graphic EQ.
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post #15 of 20 (permalink) Old 01-17-2012, 03:35 PM
 
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Re: Tone Zone and Air Norton in a JS1000????

I had a tone zone in my js1 for quite a while. I really liked it. I thought that it gave it a bit more warmth. It gave really good harmonics and sustain too.

I had a paf pro in the neck. Seemed to work for me.
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