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post #1 of 33 (permalink) Old 02-16-2010, 11:17 PM Thread Starter
 
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Vai Universe Riffs?

Wondering what are some good heavy Vai 7-string riffs or videos.
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post #2 of 33 (permalink) Old 02-16-2010, 11:45 PM
 
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Re: Vai Universe Riffs?

vai uses the universe mainly for rhythm tracks.
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vai uses the universe mainly for rhythm tracks.
Not entirely correct.

A universe was used on most of Passion and Warfare. Since then Steve has used a Universe on tracks such as "Ooo", and most recently on "Under It All". This was both for lead and rhythm.

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Not entirely correct.

A universe was used on most of Passion and Warfare. Since then Steve has used a Universe on tracks such as "Ooo", and most recently on "Under It All". This was both for lead and rhythm.

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yeah but there's like, almost no heavy 7-string riffs really. it's all just rhythm stuff, not really something you'd throw in a solo or something.

on "Oooo" the 7-string is just for the rhythm track right? it's not that exciting.
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Ya-Yo Gakk!!!
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yeah but there's like, almost no heavy 7-string riffs really. it's all just rhythm stuff, not really something you'd throw in a solo or something.

on "Oooo" the 7-string is just for the rhythm track right? it's not that exciting.
A riff for the most part is a rhythm track. If you want heavy riffs, I'd say check out Korn or Limp Bizkit. And I'm being serious about that, they use the 7 string for way more heavier stuff than Vai ever will. Fear Factory and Meshuggah are the same way.
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Two words. The and Riddle!!!!!!
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post #8 of 33 (permalink) Old 02-19-2010, 08:29 AM
 
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Don't forget The Audience Is Listening. Lots of low B usage goin' on there!!
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post #9 of 33 (permalink) Old 02-19-2010, 08:33 AM
 
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Re: Vai Universe Riffs?

Some people define "riff" differently than others. I tend to place a riff in the rhythm category as well, but is it really rhythm?

Example: Smoke on the Water. Famous riff, but is it really the real rhythm of the song? No, its better described as simply being the part that Ritchie Blackmore plays repeatedly over the rhythm provided by the drums, base, and organ. It is THE part that you identify with song, however. So much so that just about anyone who's heard it once can sing it.

That's my definition of a riff!

Steve Vai songs with an immediately recognizable 7 string riff: The Animal and Bad Horsie
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post #10 of 33 (permalink) Old 02-19-2010, 08:59 AM
 
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Re: Vai Universe Riffs?

bad horsie is actually a 6-string detuned to C or C#, can't remember.
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In music, a riff is an ostinato figure: a repeated chord progression, pattern, refrain or melodic figure, often played by the rhythm section instruments or solo instrument, that forms the basis or accompaniment of a musical composition.
Does that help?
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post #12 of 33 (permalink) Old 02-19-2010, 03:11 PM
 
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There's a reason Vai presfers to play 6-strings. He plays mostly lead and employs Dave & Tony etc to play the 7-string riffs. It's not that he can't control the 7-string but it's more stiffer to do lazy trem tricks.
I just ordered his Naked Tracks and I'm amazed and so pleased he did this. I feel like others that Vai has great talent but it's wasted on much of what he does for trying to be "way out" & twisted. I just wish he'd compose more than he jams with a whammy! His Flex-able album was a non-ego electric-music recording rather than being just guitar. It shows creativity in song writing, recording techniques and arranging. The Attitude Song is a master class for modern lead guitar where there's no improvised solos - just great composing.
He definately has a problem with 7 strings in a hushed up way - Billy commented on the Live at Astoria DVD he should try a Baritone to "get over a problem" but just maybe his contract deal is for the Jem & Universe for a set time. Or they need to sell the Universe rather than bring out another Vai design due to costs involved etc. I feel the 7th string lacks as much tone and feels light even at 56 where as a Baritine would be best of both worlds - i.e. keep the dampening control easy and allow crazy trem use. But hey he still has to sell the same number of guitars each year to keep Ibanez happy. The rest of us can carry on getting the most out of our 7 strings instead of using "lazy whammying".
Personally, I love my UV777BK alot!!!
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It's not that he can't control the 7-string but it's more stiffer to do lazy trem tricks.
You don't think he just prefers using Evo? You know, the guitar he's mainly stuck with for over 15 years? You know, the guitar he wrote this about:

"For me, Evo has been the voice of my heart and has seen the depth of my most depressed emotional frames of mind to my most euphoric moments of joy and divine love, and she usually gets the brunt of it all. I have cried, screamed, prayed and bled through that instrument, and like I said, although she is only wire and wood, there is an emotional investment in her."

But of course, he'd give up Evo for a second to play a 7 string if it wasn't more stiffer to do lazy trem tricks....

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I feel like others that Vai has great talent but it's wasted on much of what he does for trying to be "way out" & twisted. I just wish he'd compose more than he jams with a whammy! His Flex-able album was a non-ego electric-music recording rather than being just guitar. It shows creativity in song writing, recording techniques and arranging. The Attitude Song is a master class for modern lead guitar where there's no improvised solos - just great composing.
I don't think, a small matter of a quarter of a century after Flex-able, that Steve Vai is "trying" to be anything. He is what he is.
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Re: Vai Universe Riffs?

this has been talked about before.

why would vai used a 7-string live? he plays the LEAD parts of his songs live while dave is behind him raping the 7-string. where's the point in using a fatter neck with and extra string that's not even being used and having a stiffer whammy?

that's why he uses 6's live.
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post #15 of 33 (permalink) Old 02-20-2010, 09:44 AM
 
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Re: Vai Universe Riffs?

People want to see Vai playing Universes just to justify buying Universes.
People, listen: Universes are awesome, even Vai playing Universes or Jems.
Thank you.
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