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post #1 of 33 (permalink) Old 04-10-2002, 06:04 PM Thread Starter
 
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Why has the seven string never really caught on? - Seven str

When it came out in the early 90's, Vai touted the seven string as the next great evolution in guitar playing. He used it exclusively for a few years and then just sort of dropped it. Amongst other players, Satch, Gilbert Petrucci, etc.. it may be used occasionaly, but it's never their main instrument. Alot of newer bands like the seven for the deep growl it can ad to their bottom end, but the virtuoso still doesn't seem to need or want it's extended range. Whenever someone on this forum asks " 6 or 7?" the majority of posts indicate that the seven is well received here. Still it seems as if most of the guitar playing world still sees is as a novelty, like slide guitar or something, good for an occasional song or two but not for most. *So why does it still remain on the sidelines 10 years later?

One more thing. I realise it may have more acceptance in the jazz community, so lets just look at the rock players for now.
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post #2 of 33 (permalink) Old 04-10-2002, 07:12 PM
 
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Why has the seven string never really caught on?

This is discussed a lot. *For one thing, not everyone likes the feel of a 7-string neck. *For another thing, not everyone wants a 7-string. *And there are actually many 7-string players on here. *I personally would own a 7-string if I had the cash. *I'm a huge fan of 7-strings (for Vai, Korn, and many others). *I think the whole Korn/Family Values '98/7th Heaven fad kinda killed it a bit. *No one wanted a 7-string, cuz the 7-string made you an instant Korn-copy poser. *Look at Family Values '98, 3 out of 5 bands had RG-7s used, 1 had guest appearances from 7-stringers. *Family values '99 had 1 7-string band, Family Value's 2k1 had none. *
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IMO, the less people play 'em, the better. I hope they'll become as exclusive as they were before KoRn.
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IMO, the less people play 'em, the better. I hope they'll become as exclusive as they were before KoRn.
I hope they become popular enough that we have some variety in the Ibanez line, but not achieve "fad" status. *I wanna see them picked up by people of all musical styles as an instrument that's given as much credit as a 6-string. *But yeah, the whole Korn 7-string fad sucked. *:biggrin: *Except it did bring the 7620, and numerous other 7-strings from a variety of companies.
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Why has the seven string never really caught on?

the cool thing is, that because it didn't become 'the norm', the general public is still pretty impressed when i tell them 'the black one's a 7 string'.

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Why has the seven string never really caught on?

i think the reason is not many people make full use of the 7's range. it its used for low riffs (in rock), so if you want that you can just tune the low e down to b, like a lot of bands do. the 'shredders' are busy in the high strings, so, no need for a 7 either.
i really would like to hear something like sv's 'sisters' on a 7.
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post #7 of 33 (permalink) Old 04-10-2002, 09:28 PM
 
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Why has the seven string never really caught on?

As a keyboardist (and guitarist ) my answer to this question comes pretty natural, like:why isnt it as popular with 10 octaves on a keyboard as with 6... because its cheaper with 6, it wont make you a better player with 10... you will be able to access some more tones, but gennerally, its still playing guitar, same basic ideas, only that you get some extra tones...When you think of it... if you use standard tuning with the low 7th string as B, you get what, 6 half tones extra to play with ? I think that is what many people think about 7 strings... I think 7 strings are cool.. It makes it feel more natural as the middle string becomes the kind of center, and the focus on the playing gets gennerally a bit lower in tones, than on a 6 string... Sure it changes the feel also abit, but there is not much really you can do on a 7 string that you cant on a 6 that hasnt to do with accessing those 6 extra halfsteps.... (pure technique wise, like say, 7 string insane sweeps and stuff, yes, but how often will it happen ?) I think the bottom line in my rant is that the seventh string isnt exactly revolutionary, but just as buying a keyboard with a extra octave or what not.... you get more tones... *

EDIT - i did a major error in formulating the first sentence... hehehe

(Edited by Jay Satriani at 3:34 am on April 11, 2002)
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the 7 became popular right as shred was going out of style. *As such, it became associated with Steve and that kind of music. *Now, even though newer bands have used it, none of them have really done anything to prove to anyone that you *need* a 7-string. *Anything those guys play can be played on a D-tuned 6 string. *Until someone who appeals to new guitarists (ie: not Steve Vai or someone associated with the 80s) it won't be too popular. *The problem with Korn was that they really aren't seen as a guitar band.

Basically, no one's proved that 7's are so great.
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Basically, no one's proved that 7's are so great.
Exactly, thats pretty much my point also....(and also, that there isnt so much to be proven about it... )

What has been proven though, is that they are very cool and mighty looking on stage


EDIT - Just fooling around...

(Edited by Jay Satriani at 3:52 am on April 11, 2002)
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Why has the seven string never really caught on?

Hi! I love 7-strings, and am almost exclusively on them now. I am a girl, and have smaller hands, and less hand strength. (here is where any feminists can bash away at me...). Still, I don't find the difference in neck size a problem. Then again, I play bass also, prefer a 6-string or 7-string bass. 7-string bass- huge neck.
* To me, the 7-string makes more sense. Most players who aspire to have a decent amount of technical proficiency start studying theory at some point. One of the first things in this part of the world is modes as they apply to a diatonic scale. There are 7 modes. Do the math... 7-modes, 7-strings. For maximum efficiency for picking, 3-note per string scales are great. Try it on a 7-string. The pattern becomes obvious very quickly, making the job of "conquering" modes from a technical standpoint easier... for me anyway! Try the same on a 6-string, and one notices one of the 3-note patterns missing from each mode. If you don't have a 7-string, write it out- you'll see A minor thing, but works for me. Move on to non-diatonic scales, and it changes. Oh well. lol :rotf:
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post #11 of 33 (permalink) Old 04-10-2002, 09:59 PM
 
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Why has the seven string never really caught on?

I found the same thing Nikki... i learned the modes on 6string, and when i played the 7string for the first time, fooling around with some 3 note per string legato licks, my fingers naturally filled the blanks on the 7th string without thinking... pure naturally... *Its magic ! *Then again, Seven is Vai's magical number... *hehe... Oohh... spoooky... :donnie:

EDIT - a missing i.... ZzZz...

EDIT 2 - Just a small note.... can fingers actually think ?? hmm... no... *well you all know what i was saying... hehhe...

(Edited by Jay Satriani at 4:04 am on April 11, 2002)
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post #12 of 33 (permalink) Old 04-10-2002, 10:14 PM
 
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Why has the seven string never really caught on?

i'd get a 7 if i could.. i'm still thinking about priorities in gear acquisition though.. i think i need an amp first. *i absolutely love to end a descending legato run on a low low low note, and i pretty much always feel limited by a 6, cause it isn't low enough for me to feel in my chest at volume. *which is why i long for 7. *(retuned 6 - BEADGb won't do it cause i still love to flail around the scalloped frets on the top e too ;-)). *thing is, i'm sure that once i DO play 7, i'll want even lower.. ad infinitum.

then again, maybe i'll be satisfied... there's only one way to find out ;-)

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post #13 of 33 (permalink) Old 04-10-2002, 11:39 PM Thread Starter
 
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Why has the seven string never really caught on?

I had one back in '92 and sold it. It was great to play solo, or practice at home with, but it just never caught on in a band. Of course in '92, adding any notes on the low B made it just sound grungy. When I would go to an open jam and play some covers the low B would just make the song not sound right. Everbody wanted to hear "the new 7" but when I would add it to a classic rock song (Zep, Hendrix, AC/DC etc.) I would get a "not cool" look from the other guys. I would end up muting it more than I played it. I think the problem is that when you play a cord, and ad a note on the low B, it seems to dominate the sound of the cord. It must have something to do with distortion, because it's not so apparent playing clean. In fact a seven string acoustic really sounds good. Anyway, I'm trying to convince myself to get one again, and right now, it's hard.
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Why has the seven string never really caught on?

The coolest thing about the seven string for me was having another open string available to use in chord voicings.Even though its just one more string,it made me approach the guitar from a different perspective,especially when writing songs.Which is a good thing.However,since it was causing wrist problems,I exclusively play 6's now.It's really strange that for a while 7's seemed to be selling like viagra at an AARP meeting.Now you can hardly give them away.Maybe an oversaturated market?
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Why has the seven string never really caught on?

I think that the 7 string guitar has managed to get attatched to 2 trends just as they were dying.

The first one is shred. *When the UVs came out it was right near the end of the shred era. *Grunge took over and there was very much a "classic rock" feel to the sounds which the 7 string didn't really invite itself to.

The second is the one were going through now, the nu-metal era, which is dying quickly. *There was a giant rush to market to put 7 string guitars in people hands and alot of them really just weren't all that great. *As a result there's a glut of low-end not-so-great guitars that are no longer in vogue.

Someone also touched on the tonalities of the 7 string. *As any good 5 string bass player knows there's a certain feel to a song where the low notes will make sense and sound correct. *Play tose notes at a time where it isn't and it's like a train wreck....it just sounds wrong to the ears. *Tonally music lends itself to the 6 string. *However with nu-metal that low-end is now farmiliar ground and can be used without sounding onvious or strange to the listener.

Personally I adopted the 7 almost 9 months ago and I'm sorry I didn't do it sooner. *The larger necks fit my oversized hands perfectly. *My Schecter C7+ is the Les Paul I never had and could find. *My Universe is the Ibanez I just could never get with a wide enough fretboard. *I play them almost exclusively and my 6's have really just been collecting dust.

The change will come. *It just takes time.
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