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post #1 of 14 (permalink) Old 01-18-2010, 10:26 AM Thread Starter
 
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Why no love for the JS100

Just wondering if anyone knows why the JS100 still has the Edge 3 on it when Vai's "budget" JEM gets an original Edge. It seems like they could've tacked the Edge onto it, left the pickups as they were and created a really decent "budget" JS that people would actually consider buying.
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post #2 of 14 (permalink) Old 01-18-2010, 12:33 PM
 
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Re: Why no love for the JS100

The budget jem is in a higher price range than the budget js. That might be the major reason the jem has better / newer hardware.
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post #3 of 14 (permalink) Old 01-18-2010, 12:41 PM Thread Starter
 
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Re: Why no love for the JS100

Yeah, I saw that the JEM's MSRP is about twice as much, but that's to be expected with the Edge, name, and the aesthetics of the JEM line (minus the fretboard inlays). The JEM's price should still allow it to be a solid alternative to the 1570 maple for those who don't want the Edge zero. I'm just wondering if there's a reason they decided not to "upgrade" the JS100 line with a better bridge and pickups and up the price a little or if they just don't really care about that model...probably the latter.
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Re: Why no love for the JS100

primarily i imagine its because of the price. the jem505 looks like it might be a proper little surprise success story.
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post #5 of 14 (permalink) Old 01-18-2010, 01:40 PM
 
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Re: Why no love for the JS100

also remember that there are countless lower end RG body style guitars. Not so with the JS/Radius body.
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post #6 of 14 (permalink) Old 01-18-2010, 02:11 PM
 
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Re: Why no love for the JS100

Isn't the Jem505 MIJ, and the JS100 MIK? I would imagine that has a lot to do with it.
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post #7 of 14 (permalink) Old 01-18-2010, 02:12 PM
 
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Re: Why no love for the JS100

Keep in mind that the Jem 505 is not really a "budget" Jem. To be honest, I'm not 100% sure what it's intended to be, or why "505" was chosen as the model designation. Not that I don't like it, quite the opposite, I just wonder what the marketing department was thinking originally. But regardless, the 555 still exists, at least in some parts of the world, and is the actual budget Jem. Basically, the JS100 is the JS equivalent of the 555 and there is no JS equivalent of the 505.
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post #8 of 14 (permalink) Old 01-18-2010, 03:35 PM
 
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Re: Why no love for the JS100

Comparing a JS100 and a Jem 505 is a little like comparing an RG350 and an RG1550. One is a MIK/MII lower-end model, the other is a MIJ Prestige model. The Jem 505 isn't so much a "budget" version, just a "no-frills" version.
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post #9 of 14 (permalink) Old 01-18-2010, 03:37 PM Thread Starter
 
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Re: Why no love for the JS100

I used the quotes on "budget" on the JEM to illustrate that it's not a cheap guitar. But it does offer a similar JEM experience at half to 1/3 the cost of the real deal. The 505 doesn't appear to be just a cheap-o thing to appease the 13 year old Vai fanboys who can't/don't want to shell out the cash for a real 7vwh. That's what I consider a budget signature guitar. It's not going to give you everything, but it gives you enough of the look and feel to qualify as a signature guitar and it isn't a $300 guitar dressed up.
The JS is more unique amongst Ibanez guitars, so it's tougher to compare with the other stuff the way you can kind of compare the JEM 555 to a white mid-low level RG. Still, I figure that considering the JS100 is around $800 or so you could market it at $1000 range and give it the better bridge and maybe nicer pickups or a better neck.
Maybe I'm off base here. I don't know the sales numbers of it, but my guess would be that most people who have actually played a 100 and a 1000 would probably prefer to keep saving and get the 1000 if they need a JS guitar due in large part to the trem and pickups. At $800, the JS100 isn't exactly "budget" to begin with anyway....

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post #10 of 14 (permalink) Old 01-18-2010, 05:59 PM
 
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Re: Why no love for the JS100

If they were to raise the price of the 100, they would remove any incentive to buy it over saving a bit more for a 1000. If anything, they need to lower the price of the 100, as it is already pretty high. The 100 provides the JS look at a price point that more people can afford. Most of the customers who actually care about the improved bridge, pickups, neck, etc. will already be looking at 1000s instead of 100s (plenty of used ones around). Upgrading the 100 puts it easily into 1000 price territory -- they have to maintain some distinction in the models or there is no point in having the extra models.
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post #11 of 14 (permalink) Old 01-19-2010, 10:05 AM Thread Starter
 
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Re: Why no love for the JS100

That's a fair point and I understand your reasoning. I guess people must be buying the 100 at that price, though I can't see why. It looks like a new 1000 is now going for $17-2000 USD depending on who you buy from so a $1000 JS with an upgraded trem still seems like a distinct price point to me, especially if they did lower the current JS100 config's price to $6-700, essentially setting up a 3 pronged JS Line similar to what it looks like they've done with the JEM.
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post #12 of 14 (permalink) Old 01-19-2010, 10:51 AM
 
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Re: Why no love for the JS100

I think that ryanb has nailed it right there.

My initial thought to the thread title was, "because they aren't very good".

I tried a JS100 out at the same time as an RG570 (which I ended up buying). I couldn't believe how bad the JS was, not just compared to the RG but in general. It was also more expensive??!!?:!?!!!

I think that it is a real shame that Ibanez feel they need to make low grade instruments to cash in on the main series, and this is the difference between the JS100 and the 505. The Jem is no-frills, but with many of the cosmetics and much of the original quality hardware.
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post #13 of 14 (permalink) Old 01-19-2010, 08:25 PM
 
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Re: Why no love for the JS100

The Jem7 starts out at a higher price point and with more "frills and glitz". That leaves room to tone down the expensive details and create a no-frills version at a better price point that retains the quality hardware where it counts. (The pickups are the only real sacrifice, and they are the easiest to change later.) You could start cutting parts from there to get an even lower price point, but you sacrifice the important points.

If you start with a JS1000, what do you cut to save the cost? There aren't vine inlays and such things to take out. You pretty much start cutting with pickups, bridge, and neck details. That's exactly what the JS100 is, and about half the cost. It might be possible to stretch a three-step system out of the range by dropping the JS100 price and adding something in-between. But I doubt Joe would approve of that plan, and it probably doesn't make sense for Ibanez in terms of sales volume. The JS100 is the equivalent of a low-mid RG or S guitar with a price premium for the JS name and look. None of that seems particularly unreasonable. I'm guessing Ibanez sells plenty of JS100s each year -- certainly enough to keep two colors around for years when there was only one JS1000.

I think the Jem 505s are a good idea, and it will be interesting to see how they sell -- will a monkey grip and EDGE be enough difference for people to pay the price difference over a Prestige RG, or will the vine, etc. be the critical thing to distinguish it as a Jem? It's interesting that they decided to use maple boards. I wonder if that is just another way to make it look different from its big brothers, or if people in that segment really prefer maple?
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post #14 of 14 (permalink) Old 02-20-2010, 10:24 PM
 
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Re: Why no love for the JS100

My '88 540s saber has the original edge tremolo on her. Its a fine mechanism made with quality hardened steel. The locking studs are an innovation in themselves...........
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