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post #1 of 12 (permalink) Old 09-04-2002, 08:33 AM Thread Starter
 
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Why the Scarf?

Why the scarf?

Often I hear people say that Ibanez make good guitars, except for the scarf joint. A lot of the Ibanez owners I know have experienced, either via friends or someone they know, that the scarf joint has been the weakest link on their axes.

Now, the scarf joint makes the neck cheaper to manufacture. Possibly twice as many necks as they could make for the price of one without the scarf joint.

Why don't Ibanez get rid of this problem, at least on their top lines?

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post #2 of 12 (permalink) Old 09-04-2002, 09:03 AM
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My scarf keeps my neck warm in winter.
My bobble hat keeps my head warm.
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post #3 of 12 (permalink) Old 09-04-2002, 09:19 AM
 
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Actually, a well made scarf joint isn't a weak link. Any well glued joint should be stronger than the surrounding wood. Warmoth uses it, and they're among the most respected aftermarket necks.

IF you're going to tilt the headstock back, THEN the scarf joint is a great way to do it. To try to do this out of one piece of wood would be environmentally irresponsible, and probably no stronger. In fact, it might be much weaker - you'd be exposing end grain on the whole of the peghead face.
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Re: Why the Scarf?

Ditto. These "people" asking about the scarf sound educated by the likes of Ed Roman or other snake-oil salesman of the guitar industry... glen
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LOL! "Snake oil salesman". I love it. Ed is that, for sure. Also, I've never had any problems with the scarf joint on any of my Ibanez guitars. In a fall, I'd be more wary of a Gibson Les Paul headstock break AKA the "Gibson break".
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Jester - well said
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These people have to stop dropping their guitars

Also, the scarf joint (a/k/a Spanish luthier's joint) provides for a much cleaner brack and easier repair (so it seems) should such a travesty occur.

Also, consider the pressure of the strings and the direction of the joint. this is where the increased stabilization is. The headstock side is pressing against the neck side but there is much resistance by this cut.

I have no problem with this after seeing plenty of broken Gibson headstocks (not pretty).

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Also, the scarf joint (a/k/a Spanish luthier's joint) provides for a much cleaner brack and easier repair (so it seems) should such a travesty occur.
Yep, that's right were my jem broke when I lobbed it across a bar I was playing at about 2 years ago. Half of the fretboard came off too.
Luckily I worked for Gibson Guitars at the time and had access to the right tools to fix it. Now you can't even tell it was once broken.
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Ive seen some nasty cuts here, but trust me, THE SCARF JOINT ADDS strength. Gibson headstocks suck. Thats why my 68 sg has a nasty break in it. Ill take the scarf joint any day.
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My LPC has a 5 piece mahogony neck, no breaks there
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My 68 sg was three peice rich. It still snapped. This is a weak point of all necks, especially those with an angle. The only guitar i have that is a one peice neck all the way through are a really old gibson archtop that I have, and my old takamine nylon string. I would rather both had scarf joints. Ibanez could improve on design by adding the volute you see on some j-customs. I like the feel of the volute, some dont, but I think it adds character, and integral strength. Im surprised the jems dont have it, but I suppose Vai doesnt think its necessary
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Since I'm a rigid Ibanez follower, I believe that the scarf joint serves it purpose. A theory I've got is that most of the guys who buy an Ibanez are in the 'rock' music. And many in the 'rock' wannabe league have a hard time taking good care of their instruments.

Also, the Gibson is worse, even my everyday dispute/PRS upheaver(?) would admit to that fact.

Can anyone explain why the scarf joint is at least as strong as the regular necks?

And, Simon! Be quiet!

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