Re: 2017 Ibanez premium guitars
I can see what Glen means. The prestige line has been neglected, and you do have to look into signatures for anything that has desirable features, bue the pricing on those is insane. That's a bussines decision, and so is making the prestiges unapealing bare bones workhorses to keep the cost down. 30 years ago, the routing of the inlays was done with a mold (i dont know the technical name o way to explain it) with a pin router. The cutting of the pieces was done the same way. Today more stuff is done in almost fully atomated processes (CNC routing, laser cutting, painting). I'm sure Ibanez could make an interesting guitar within the regular Prestige line, but it is their marketing strategy to make you pay through the nose for a MIJ signature or J custom. That's a marketing decision, not something they are forced to do because of cost structure. And that is what is pissing some people off. I think we can all agree that this strategy does in fact exist.
I like the FP2, but not enough to shell out 4k. If they do a beautifull new FP3, 4,5K will still be too much. I like J customs, but if you are going to charge 4K for a top of the line "exquisite" guitar, don't go cheap on the top. Both my J Custom have tops that are equivalente to what you had in a 1998/2000 RG3120. And the colours (staining process) is nowhere near a very nice PRS. For 4k, they could definately do better.
It does seem as if Ibanez is focusing on making interesting stuff out of indonesia rather than japan.
But we can all complain about that, or just move on and be happy that there are good playing, feature packed guitars at affordable prices out of Indonesia. If they keep improving them, I ll keep buying them.
I think we can also agree that Glen has a point regarding people choosing other brands over Ibanez when it comes to spending 3/5K on a guitar. I know I would look elsewhere for that kind of money. I do agree that PRS probably offers better value in over 3k guitars. Not to even mention Carvin/Kiesel. Thing is, I already own those, and I like to see Ibanez come up with new interesting models with a lot of features at a reasonable price.
In fact, I think we can all agree on the facts, but we choose to make a big deal out of our preferences. There's no denying that the Premiums are well put toghether. That their flaws are minor and easily fixable (and most people wouldn't even notice in the first place). The Edze Zero is a good tremolo. They are packed with features. They do have interesting models, and they keep comming out with good looking interesting guitars. MIJ Ibanez are either bare bones boring guitars, o exceedingly expensive ones (mostly by choice/business decistion rather than "cost"). Etc, etc,etc.
We can also agree that there never was a more prolific catalog that what we ve seen in recent years. Though now it's splitted between 3 or 4 different lines of production, with huge price discrimination.
Back on topic, It all comes down to choice. I would't pay 3500 for a 3120, but I can see my self paying USD 1200 for the 1070 or 1300 for a RG6PCMLTD if I can find one with a nice top and a nice fretboard.
The topic was about the 2017 Premium guitars, basically the 1070 and the RG6PCMLTD. With Ibanez current strategy/pricing they are pretty cool. With Ibanez current marketing pricing strategy, the whole Premium line makes sense.