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post #1 of 14 (permalink) Old 04-02-2012, 05:39 AM Thread Starter
 
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7-string scale.

I play in half-step-down and normal tune. I really love 25.5 scale,it's perfect for me.. so,is 25.5 scale ok for 7 string?
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Re: 7-string scale.

You answered your own question. If it's perfect for you, of course it's OK.
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Re: 7-string scale.

I know that,but I read that because of string tickness and tension,7 string should have longer scale..
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Re: 7-string scale.

I get on just fine with a 25.5" 7 string. You'll just need something chunky for that low B. What gauge strings are you using normally?
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Re: 7-string scale.

I personally hate shortscale 7 strings.

I have looked into this a lot and I just don't believe 25.5 is enough.

This was confirmed by Ben Crowe of Crimson Guitars UK, who makes a lot of extended range instruments. I asked him if it was possible to make a 25.5" scale 7 string where the low B didn't sharpen noticably in pitch when struck, because on my 7, a "chugga chugga" low B riff actually requires me to detune to the string slightly to counteract the pitch rising at the start of the attack.

He told me that it is, but that you require a decent length of string after the nut and preferably at the bridge too, that can compensate for the stretch. He recommended a reversed headstock.

Obviously, on a locking bridge, thats impossible, since the other side of the nut is decoupled from the vibrating string.

As such, I personally will now never be buying a 25.5 scale 7 string.
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What gauge strings are you using normally?
9-42 or 10-46,it depends. I use 9-42 more.
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Re: 7-string scale.

Yes, you can easily have a 25.5" scale 7 string. You just have to make sure you get the right strings. My advise is this: NEVER GET A 7 STRING PACK!!! They're completely wrong.

Get yourself a .10-.46 set with a low .62 for the B or .68-.70 if you're tuning it to Drop A.

If you're tuning any lower, PM me for more advise.
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Yes, you can easily have a 25.5" scale 7 string. You just have to make sure you get the right strings. My advise is this: NEVER GET A 7 STRING PACK!!! They're completely wrong.

Get yourself a .10-.46 set with a low .62 for the B or .68-.70 if you're tuning it to Drop A.

If you're tuning any lower, PM me for more advise.
I've used everything from a .52 to a .70 as my low B. The exact issue that Ben Crowe describes has occured on all of those guages.

Longer scale on 7s is objectively better for tuning. If you have the option I don't see why you'd ever use 25.5.

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Yes, you can easily have a 25.5" scale 7 string. You just have to make sure you get the right strings. My advise is this: NEVER GET A 7 STRING PACK!!! They're completely wrong.

Get yourself a .10-.46 set with a low .62 for the B or .68-.70 if you're tuning it to Drop A.

If you're tuning any lower, PM me for more advise.
This.

I'm toying with the idea of 11 - 52 with a 64 for my B. Find what suits you.
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I've used everything from a .52 to a .70 as my low B. The exact issue that Ben Crowe describes has occured on all of those guages.

Longer scale on 7s is objectively better for tuning. If you have the option I don't see why you'd ever use 25.5.
Because I don't want to settle for a piece of crap with the right scale length. I'd rather struggle with my quality RG7620 than hate a Schecter with perfect tension.

I'll just suck it up until I can afford Severinsteelsmith's RG1077XL

Why do people hate having to use thicker strings anyway? I see nothing wrong with it. Though it'd be nice to get to use something a BIT thinner (.09-.42 with a low .64 in Drop A is my 27" plan).
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Re: 7-string scale.

people like to be pretentious, either it's scales or tremolos or whatever.

25,5 sevens have been around since forever, just get the strings and setup right.

extended scale is not for everyone.
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Re: 7-string scale.

Tnx guys.
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Re: 7-string scale.

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Because I don't want to settle for a piece of crap with the right scale length. I'd rather struggle with my quality RG7620 than hate a Schecter with perfect tension.

I'll just suck it up until I can afford Severinsteelsmith's RG1077XL

Why do people hate having to use thicker strings anyway? I see nothing wrong with it. Though it'd be nice to get to use something a BIT thinner (.09-.42 with a low .64 in Drop A is my 27" plan).
I don't hate using thicker strings, my main axes are all strung with 11s.

But I dislike having to use a bridge cable, and STILL getting that "bwooww" sound where the attack of the note is a higher pitch than the sustain. Which is exacerbated on guitars with locking tremolos because there's no slack string on the other side of the nut that can take up some of the stretch created by picking the note. On a guitar with a non-locking nut and a reverse headstock, the sharpening of the attack on the low strings is much less noticeable.

Not only does the thicker string make the sound of the guitar very unbalanced (much more magnetic material meaning the low B dominates the sound by being magnetically louder), but when you start getting into bass guages, they're a pain to wind through the tuner, and they're very dull sounding. THe sheer mass of the string makes it so they're not very bright.

A longer scale solves all of these problems.
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Re: 7-string scale.

I use only Hipshot hardtail bridge + Sperzel locking tuners.
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