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post #31 of 45 (permalink) Old 05-23-2017, 07:51 PM
 
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I think the AANJ is way more comfortable than the block heel. I don't have a problem playing with the block heel, but I definitely think the newer neck joints are better from an ergonomic perspective. The AANJ is as close to a neckthrough in terms of access you can get on a production bolt-on. YMMV, depending on how long your fingers are.
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Re: AANJ? Is there a need for it?

I love the tone of the old square heel but it does affect my playing on high frets; mostly on the lower strings above 15. And I have big hands. Really its the pointed end of the square pushing into my palm as I reach. In general I prefer AANJ.
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Think early 80's, when it all started. Guitarists are shredding out of a standard Stratocaster and Les Paul neck joints(I also own both with Standard Neck Joints) and they're standing up most of the time. Why should things be any different now? I'm not saying it's easy for me, I don't have big hands and I spend most of my time up 12th frets and above and the bottom corner of that tilt metal plate is wearing off due to excessive palm contact.

People should just adapt. Lazy culture I know. I have an RG350 with AANJ and I don't play it as much as my RG550 with tilted neck joint. It almost feels like a sacrilege to shredding.

Can't stop thinking that the AANJ is a cost cutting measure, but that don't mean I won't get an RG with AANJ if the specs are right like the RG6UCS.
Why would you need to adapt, if they (and other brands) can do the AANJ, or neckthroughs? You could adapt to not having A/C in your car, you could adapt to almost anything. Why would you, if thres no need?

I have both with neck plate and AANJ. I can also play with the old neck joint, but AANJ is more compfortable, and neckthroughs, much more so.
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Lol Why the need to adapt? I'm surprised anyone would even ask this question. For a simple reason that early shredders shred on a square heeled strat and for the simple reason original RG's came with squared heels and that slanted squared heel is already a luxury. Tricks of the trade and trade secrets aside, sure you can use a low level analogy in comfort for comparison but we're talking about shredding a guitar here, not lazing on a couch. Or how about try adapting to not breathing? LOL

I'm not all against AANJ and I do agree that neck through a are more comfortable. If that is so for you, please stick to it. But I just can't change the notion that AANJ is a cost cutting measure for most guitar companies. I would avoid at all cost. I would rather go with a neck through than an AANJ. The only AANJ I own is a low cost RG350 when I came back to guitars after a 20 year hiatus, it's pretty reliable and holds up well. For those looking for a square heel neck joint, the new 30th Anniversary RG in quilted maple top is a good buy if cost is not a factor. Upper cut comes in a close 2nd if not for the AANJ.
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But I just can't change the notion that AANJ is a cost cutting measure for most guitar companies.
Your notion is incorrect. But keep believing it for whatever reason if you insist!
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But I just can't change the notion that AANJ is a cost cutting measure for most guitar companies.
Your notion is incorrect. But keep believing it for whatever reason if you insist!
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Yes, really.

The extra CNC and finishing time to form the AANJ and cost of the grommets probably cost much more than the simple sheet steel plate it replaces.

In retail market parts costs, the plate is $10 retail, the grometts are $16.
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Yes, really.

The extra CNC and finishing time to form the AANJ and cost of the grommets probably cost much more than the simple sheet steel plate it replaces.

I secondary market parts costs, the plate is $10 retail, the grometts are $16.
Rich I don't mean to doubt you and will note your information with care. But till then. I will be shredding with a square heel neck joint like how we did it in the 80's. ??????????????????
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i agree you should, I never had a problem with a plate joint.
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I'm not all against AANJ and I do agree that neck through a are more comfortable. If that is so for you, please stick to it. But I just can't change the notion that AANJ is a cost cutting measure for most guitar companies.
I have no idea where you're getting this idea that the AANJ is a "cost cutting measure." As Rich and others have pointed out, the parts involved in an AANJ are more expensive than a simple stamped metal plate, it's more expensive to CNC machine, and finishing and buffing a complex curved surface is a ltitle more time consuming than a straight plane (that doesn't even really need to be buffed since it's covered by a metal plate.

On the other hand, player preference is a subjective thing. Some guys prefer the more "old school" feel of a square neck block, and some guys say it sustains better (though I've heard just as many complains about sustain on the final two frets as they hang over the joint). Others prefer the feel and easier upper access of the AANJ. Myself, I mostly play non-Ibanez guitars these days, but I own Ibanez guitars with both neck joints and play both, and my two "main" guitars these days are a Strat with a normal block joint, and a Suhr with an AANJ-style joint. I'm comfortable on either.

But, it's definitely not a simple "cost cutting" move - it's an ergonomic improvement.
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Lol Why the need to adapt? I'm surprised anyone would even ask this question. For a simple reason that early shredders shred on a square heeled strat and for the simple reason original RG's came with squared heels and that slanted squared heel is already a luxury. Tricks of the trade and trade secrets aside, sure you can use a low level analogy in comfort for comparison but we're talking about shredding a guitar here, not lazing on a couch. Or how about try adapting to not breathing? LOL

I'm not all against AANJ and I do agree that neck through a are more comfortable. If that is so for you, please stick to it. But I just can't change the notion that AANJ is a cost cutting measure for most guitar companies. I would avoid at all cost. I would rather go with a neck through than an AANJ. The only AANJ I own is a low cost RG350 when I came back to guitars after a 20 year hiatus, it's pretty reliable and holds up well. For those looking for a square heel neck joint, the new 30th Anniversary RG in quilted maple top is a good buy if cost is not a factor. Upper cut comes in a close 2nd if not for the AANJ.
I generally agree. In my mind I should be able to play a standard six Wizard, a seven string neck, an AANJ, a square heel, and even that fat Fireman neck as well as one from the other.
But that ain't the case. There's always a period of adjustment from one to the next. The square block is odd because I don't notice it right away - only when I play up high.
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For my hands, I just didn't get used to a square heel, feel is most important to me besides sound. U can always upgrade sound , but not feel.
Also, a guitar old enough to have a square heel probably needs a lot of work especially entire re-fretting, so that makes me fearful to even buy one online.
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Square joint is 50s invention?!...oouuu...so every guitar w this becomes vintage?!
It's all about sale - production cost.
AANJ is great feature, but technically it should have metal plate...i had some cracks under washers.
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By far AANJ is the best; neck through and good luck adjusting truss rod if the climate changes the neck angle, bolt on and good luck reaching the highest frets. AANJ is the best middle ground solution.
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By far AANJ is the best; neck through and good luck adjusting truss rod if the climate changes the neck angle, bolt on and good luck reaching the highest frets. AANJ is the best middle ground solution.
Nit-picking, but climate changes doesn't impact neck angle so much as it does neck bow. That's a simple truss rod adjustment, which in most cases for bolt-ons and ALL cases for neck-thru/set neck does not involve taking the neck off or adjusting the angle of the neck relative to the body.
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