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post #46 of 59 (permalink) Old 09-01-2009, 05:23 AM
 
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Re: Another new 2009 J-Custom available: RG8420ZE

I paid my learning process on 18mm prestige wizard neck and EZ by buying RG 2610Z.
I only played and owned that guitar for 1 month before put it on sale.
Everything just feels wrong to my hand.

Just personal taste. That's all.
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post #47 of 59 (permalink) Old 09-01-2009, 06:09 AM
 
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I understand that Rich has experience with trems and Rich always gives reasons for his complaints. Lets not confuse the constuctive critics with the random bashing. My gripe is with people who just say "ditch the edge zero" without even owning or spending time with one.

I dont mind opinion, hence the reason i read the forum but when i see the random bashing of the EZ it makes me feel insulted because i paid a lot of money for the 2550. It feels like people are saying ive done my money on a pile of **** when really i want to feel quite chuffed with getting a nice guitar.
I can understand that, but stating that "people bash the edge zero because they have no experience/bad guitar player" etc, is just plain stupid.

I'm glad you like your guitar, but you must understand that most people seem to have genuine gripes with the Edge Zero, all with design, aesthetics and manufacturing quality, and not just because it's new. My opinion (as what seems to be the majority too) is that the Edge Zero is inferior to previous top-end trems by a significant margin. The are numerous design flaws that should've been worked on before release, or just dropped all together, and the manufacturing quality people seem to find second par aswell.
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Yeah thats cool. I should not have got so uptight about it. Maybe Ibanez should have left the J-customs with the Edge Pro like the 7v and just tested the EZ on standard models like mine
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Is there a part number for the arm holder? I want to give that a shot on my Lo Pros.
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I just asked "again", they said they'd ask Japan, "again".
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post #51 of 59 (permalink) Old 10-05-2009, 09:55 PM
 
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Ok, I've had this guitar for a while now and feel like I can say a word or two about it, maybe even do a full review.

Sound wise it is very focused and heavy. The EMG pickups have caused some controversy and I gotta admit, it took a while to get used to them and find the correct tone. Once I did, I was rocked. This guitar is a serious metal machine that begs to be tuned atleas a halfstep down. And while the bridge pickup puts out a growling, chrunching tone perfect for aggressive riffing, the bridge position delivers a piercing lead tone for solos. I like to play slower melodies on the middle position of the threeway switch. The active pickups maintain a good tone even when volume and gain are turned down and feel very responsive even then. And when you crank the volume and gain, this guitar really shows what it was meant to do. Together with the thick sound of mahongany body, it sounds PHAT. I've still to find a good clean tone though...

This guitar is more focused than say a jem that has quite the versatility tone vise, but that was one of the reasons I chose just this model, as I allready own a UV777BK and a RG750 I wanted something different from th dimarzio line and sure enough got what I wanted. If you're looking for a versatile multitool or a vintage sounding blues guitar, you might be better off with something else, for metal of shredding, look no further this is a very serious contender for anything else on that field.

The neck is jcustom quality, very light and very fast. In fact, with the pickupselector on the neckposition, I think this is the fastest guitar I have ever laid my hands on. The overall build quality is good, the fretwork is great, the neck joint is perfect and the top looks stunning. I was priviledged to be able to hand pick mine from Japan (the Ochanomizu guitar street is SICK, although this was bought from Shibuya). I saw some examples of the same model where some minor flaws were evident. Most surprising was the amount guitars that had a very visible seam on the top like on the one that's in ibanez website picture here
http://www.ibanez.co.jp/products/pag...&series_id=191

A minor detail, but enough to make a stunningly beautifull guitar fall from being perfect. Colorwise, I chose the purple amethyst because I felt it gives the best visual impact when compared to the black and the red model available.

Then the part that causes even more controversy than the pickups; the Edge Zero tremolo. I for one like it. But on the other hand I'm not really a big fan of tremoloes and don't use them a lot. I actually thought that I wouldn't buy another guitar with a trem but here we are. Fortunately the Zero has the least issues and drawbacks of other tremoloes I know of. It stays in tune really nicely, the intonation screws are placed so that they are accessible with ease (why didn't they just put them like this to begin with, I wonder) and together with the mahongany body it has a good sustain. The trem feels stiff, much like the one on my seven string guitar. Some would call this precise, some boring. I quite like it, and have started using more trem after buying this guitar. But still, it doesn't flutter and feels rather stiff, so when I need sick whammybar tricks on a song I just whip out the RG750 with the original Edge Pro. A matter of preferences I'd say. It is also possible to remove the ingenious Zero point system and float it completely, but I haven't bothered to try this.


Sorry about my shaky english. This was a short reviewish glimpse on this guitar, maybe I'll write more sometime.
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These J Custom models all seem very nice, to any of you guys who have experience playing them how do they compare to other Ibanez guitars? It's a shame that the LACS isn't open to the public but this is certainly an interesting take on a high quality Ibanez.
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These J Custom models all seem very nice, to any of you guys who have experience playing them how do they compare to other Ibanez guitars? It's a shame that the LACS isn't open to the public but this is certainly an interesting take on a high quality Ibanez.
Read the post below you..... And Jemsite probably wouldn't be a very good Ibanez website if some of us didn't own/play J customs .
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Why does Ibanez' make their top-end guitars with mahogany bodies? Every so often, the allure of owning an ornate Ibanez RG appeals to be and I toy with the idea of pulling the trigger and buying one from Rich...then I remember that they're mahogany and promptly forget about it.

Ibanez will make a basswood PGM reissue and sell it for $2600, why not a $4k J Custom? If not basswood, how about alder? They make a $3000 alder JEM! They go and make this top of the line super strat and then make it mahogany, which is the last kind of wood I'd want for that type of guitar. Mahogany + Maple top creates a very complex, toneful sound, but its just does not sit right with me in an Ibanez RG.

It just seems absurd and seems like PRS or Gibson aping to me (ironic that I talk about "Gibson aping" with Ibanez, right?). Turn it around, think how strange it would seem if PRS made of basswood McCarty with a thick DY finish. Sometimes I get the feeling that there's this unspoken rule that for a guitar to be truly worth paying thousands for, it has to be mahogany for some reason. Maybe I should coin a term for it...Les Paul syndrome?

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think how strange it would seem if PRS made of basswood McCarty with a thick DY finish.
Now there is a PRS I would be proud to own.
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Why does Ibanez' make their top-end guitars with mahogany bodies? Every so often, the allure of owning an ornate Ibanez RG appeals to be and I toy with the idea of pulling the trigger and buying one from Rich...then I remember that they're mahogany and promptly forget about it.
When I was buying this guitar, I wondered the same thing. Weird enough, the mahongany was the thing that made me buy just this one. As I allready own a UV and a RG 750, I had the whole bright, edgy basswood thing going on and I wanted a guitar that is warmer and heavier. But concidering the pickups, I really wondered why they made the other 2009 jcustoms out of mahongany aswell. I tested them too and was a bit dissapointed. The one with the dimarzios just sounded a bit too flat to my UV accustomed ear and I think that either basswood or alder might have worked better. But with these EMG pickups the combination is really working and heavy but the guitar still feels and sounds suitably RG:ish.

Of course, if you don't like mahongany sound, then you don't like it and theres no changing that. There is ofcourse the RG3520 ZE that is basicaly the same guitar with a Super Wizard neck and a basswood body

http://www.ibanez.com/ElectricGuitars/model-RG3520ZE

I might post a sound sample when I get the battery of my camera charged.

Here's a picture of my current guitar lineup to underline my need for a different sound.

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Hi tetragrammaton

Nice name and geetar

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I definitely aspire to having one of those. I say, if the EMGs are a problem there's always the Seymour Duncan version.
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No Mahog love? Hey now....that is why I bought my 3 J-Customs! The last project that I finished for Pixar certainly sounded just right in their mix!
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